Moneyball won't win the Premiership 2012-13

So apparently neither of the Chelsea players supposedly abused by Clattenburg actually heard the alleged comments themselves.

18 to 20 games over the air is pretty weak but still 18 to 20 more than we get now.

John Terry lip-reading?

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O'Neill is convinced Cattermole can still improve and mature into an England record, if he can stay on the pitch. 'He has definite ability and is still remarkably young but he has played a lot of games. There is room for great improvement in his game. He occasionally wants to play the killer ball, whereas it might be better to just keep it simple and get the ball again. He plays the game way he plays five-a-sides and wants to be involved all the time which is a nice attribute to have.

martin o'neill, for whom lee catermole is too daring and creative

sunderland have the loweest number of shorts in the division by some distance

they have to swap them over at substitutions

haw oh dear

doesn't help that carlos cuellar and john o'shea shit themselves whenever someone run at the them amirite bantz bantz bantz lol

if the Chelsea complaint turns out to be unsubstantiated then now might be a good time to get a bet in on di Matteo's sacking

idk it seems to be driven by players & he didn't allude to it in the post-game interview

he went in to see Clattenburg and his employer ain't real level-headed

Who is claiming to have heard it, exactly?

the chief exec gourlay was there too, presumably better than having a raging john mikel in there on his own

luiz and ramires iirc

i just want to see somebody getting savagely banned tbh

also in keeping with the absolutely hilarious 'john terry elbows in on the limelight' meme, he supposedly turned up too

he's the club's race relations officer iirc

watched the supposed incident again and mikel and clattenburg are talking eye to eye and ramires is standing some way afar so how the fuck the guy didnt hear it idk

also ramires doesnt react at all so i guess he must have stoically filed it away for later

did we have a League Cup thread for me to go "lol Wenger out" in>?

terry showed up in full kit and blackface is the version i heard

sunderland have the loweest number of shorts in the division by some distance

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 18:26 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they have to swap them over at substitutions

― oh shawx (onimo), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 18:28 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haw oh dear

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 18:28 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

doesn't help that carlos cuellar and john o'shea shit themselves whenever someone run at the them amirite bantz bantz bantz lol

irl lol

I'm struggling to think of a team in Premiership history less interesting than Sunderland 2012.

naturally

that 'shots on target for the season so far' stat is o_0 enough to make them more interesting

sort of disgusting how quickly the FA can investigate something when they don't have to let the subject play in a tournament first

King: Do you feel an extra responsibility helping the young players (Wisdom is 19) coming through, Jamie, as you are the elder statesman in Liverpool’s squad now at 34?

Carragher: I’ve always tried to help whoever I’ve played alongside, no matter what their age.

CarraZing!

even the black players, eh?

no matter what age they claimed to be

there it is

Is all this a propos of anything?

lucas neill escaping a propos beating

"I've seen some of Everton's matches this season and what I said in relation to their style of play went too far."
"It wasn't my intention to disrespect Everton, or Stoke for that matter."

Stevie G just realising at the last minute that he might have insulted more than one team.

i don't get the carragher thing... a boring question and a boring answer?

your ears must be red

I'm not sure why Stoke would be insulted, I doubt they're even trying to produce the scintillating football of recent Liverpool sides.

still don't get the carragher thing.

i don't get it either.

look....closer

not sure how it goes from that to him being a racist in two posts

iirc, and i'm open to correction, carragher had a notable aversion to those foreigners takin our jobs and not loving a good english challenge in training, this has or has not come up before? Not racist, tbf, but his way of helpin the softy interloping senegalese newcomers was to try to injure them as a means of showing them the ropes, bulldog bulldog bulldog ave that i'm british me . With specific ref to 'trying to help everyone at the club' or w/e it's a point worth noting in an ilx context, not sure it stands out like a sore thumb or anything- if spurs had ever had the brains to have a brick-thick-kicker-shithouse central stopper in their team who'd had similar allegations against them, i wouldn't find it strange were it to come up now and again on this very board.

Carra's self mythologising gangster doorman hardman man's man of the people persona (v much backed by his autobiog, here) also makes it fun to imagine his delivery in the above exchange. I'd like to read his account of it, his eyes narrowing, his hands dropping to the phone at his hip, daring king to elaborate on his implied criticism, mates at the ready, people who know people who know bootle, itching to give out a kicking to anyone making sly references about kop legend redbleeder jamie kingpin carragher.

This instinct is mainly fictional. But it's fun, y'know. Noel Gallagher doesn't even have robbie fowler's number.

allegations? song made fun of him so he fouled him.

RACIST.

it's almost as if... one person disliked another who publicly mocked him

also let's not forget rigobert song was obv one of the great defenders of his era

bulldog bulldog bulldog ave that i'm british me .

And he calls himself a Scouser?

idk, seems like a fella can't even intentionally injure a teammate anymore without his motives being questioned.

time was you could kick a cameroonian in(to) the street

all worth it for onimo's post mind you

does ilf need an is this racist thread

they're rivals for the same position and he had been running his mouth off (and he's shit.) big deal if carragher then hacked him. as if that kind of thing is unheard of in sport. hardly means he's a racist given there's a clear reason for why he did it. but you know he's working class, must hate black people, keep fighting the good fight, guys.