Why are Japanese films so terrible?

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I saw Gohatto last night and loved it. I think I love Takeshi for all the reasons most people hate him (see Pete's initial post). I have Cruel Story Of Youth to watch tonight. *excited*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

The Zaticoichi, The Blind Samurai film series are quite fun. IFC has been showing one every Saturday morning for months and I check out one from time to time.

Nothing like eating cornflakes and watching a blind masseuse take out a dozen people in a few seconds with a katana hidden in a cane.

earlnash, Monday, 28 April 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Is the pacing annoyingly slow in english-dubbed anime films' dialogue sequences because japanese speech takes longer than english or am I imagining things?

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Cruel Story of Youth is fucking incredible. Watch for the scene with the apple.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

have you ever seen mizoguchi´s 'sansho dayu', "street of shame' or 'life of oharu'?

Yes! Mizoguchi is less known than he should be. Other good films of his are "Sisters of the Gion", "The Story of the Last Chrysanthemums", "Women of the Night", "Miss Oyû", "Tales of Ugetsu", "Gion Festival Music", "The Woman of Rumour" and "The Tale of the Crucified Lovers".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:31 (twenty-three years ago)

;; I saw SPIRITED AWAY yesterday. finally.

Erik, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:53 (twenty-three years ago)

what everyone else said + kiyoshi kurosawa.

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Can someone name a particularly good japanese monster
movie I watched once that starred a giant human
that battled monsters? "Adventures of" may have
been in the title, and the power rangers bit his look.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Mizoguchi is the greatest director ever to walk the earth -- don't get me started.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought I was a Mizoguchi fan, a bit, but I confess I've not seen his giant monster movies.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The poignant tale of Mothra's young daughter, who is forced to become the mistress of a petty-bourgeois shop owner to support her younger sister. Soon, the shop owner dies and Mothrita is taken in by a brutal pimp. After she is beaten by the pimp, she returns to her sister and despairs of the plight of female Mothrites.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, yeah, of course. I saw that years ago, before any of you. I just forgot it for a minute.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of my fave Japanese movies:

Toky Decadence
Tetsuo
Tampopo
Akira
Audition

Spirited Away hasn't had its official release in Belgium. Waiting.

Jan

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i love japanese films

Search: Ugetsu, Onibaba, Kwaidan, Audition, DeadorAlive, Battle Royale, Tetsuo, Tokyo Fist, Electric Dragon 80000, Angel Dust, Ringu, Blind Beast, Tokyo Drifter, Sonatine, Hana-bi, Afterlife, Hole in the Sky, In the Realm of the Senses, Tampopo, Throne of Blood, Bullet Ballet, Uzumaki, and random Godzilla films i liked as a child.

there should be more Kurosawa, Miyazaki and Ozu and stuff but they somehow don't fall as much into my "canon". maybe i am just being contrarian.

Still must see: Dark Water, Love & Pop, Gemini, Happiness of the Katakuris, A Snake of June, Juon, Eureka, Cure, Tokyo Decadence, Branded to Kill

Honda (Honda), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Iron Man Tetsuo owns this thread for sucking and being totally awesome at the same time.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

"All About Lily Chou-Chou" is good.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

What????

Akira Kurosawa is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time! The 'Baby Cart' series are AMAZING! The Godzilla films from the 60s (especially) are great fun with tremendous scope photography and set design and modern Japanese cinema has belched out such instant classics as 'Audition', 'Tokyo Fist', 'Uzumaki', 'Hypnosis' and 'Dark Water'. I saw 'Inugami' last week and it has style for sale! Man, they know how to make a film look good in Japan.

Kill this thread. I mean, whatever next - Hong Kong cinema, a load of shit or wot???!!!???!!!

Calum, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...
"All About Lily Chou Chou" IS good.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't like it

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh, I just saw "Ichi the Killer" and it was terrible.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I enjoy much Japanese cinema. Takeshi Kitano is one of my faves; search "Kids Return", "Sonatine", and "Kikujiro" for sure, also "Metropolis", "Grave of the Fireflies", and "Spirited Away" for anime. "The Eel" was good, I also liked "Shall we Dance?". I'm far from the toughest critic though; I don't require that films be the pinnacle of their respective genres for me to admit to liking them. I consider the above to be entertaining and interesting, with fairly unique storylines, and a refreshing change from the usual mainstream American garbage I'm exposed to here in the States.

webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

There are plenty of other threads in this series to collect.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Phil, where did you see Ichi at?

dean gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

they had the DVD of Ichi at Kim's Video here in New York... Don't bother though. It was really really bad. The story was stupid/confusing and the gore was pretty silly.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got the DVD of Ichi, one of the very few freebies I got last year. Nasty.

Note for people who haven't seen Afterlife, the Ritzy is showing as its world cinema matinee all week from Friday. 1-ish I think, £3 a pop. I am ver ver tempted to go see again.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree that Ichi was quite bad, the plot was muddled and the sick humour wasn't as funny as in other films of Miike, for example Visitor Q.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

kazuki tomokawa is in the new miike movie (with beat takeshi). i probably still won't see it.

"bright future" was pretty good.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
My downstairs neighbor, who is big on such types of films, showed me Ichi The Killer last night. I couldn't really concentrate on it but at the very least I thought it's sadomasochistc take on the whole Batman vs. Joker concept was intriguing. I might not have noticed it unless he pointed it out (the bad guy's grin, his purple and green clothes, etc.). Did anyone else catch that element?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't really concentrate on it

because we were yammering about stuff and it was really, really gross.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

He also showed me Battle Royale, which I hadn't seen yet. I found that more horrifying than Ichi in its own way, and definitely superior.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

As pete mentioned on another thread Ozu's tokyo story is being shown daily at the NFT till next thursday. I caught it yesterday and it was some of the most moving cinema I've ever seen.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 January 2004 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

:-D

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 January 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw Ktano's Zaitochi yesterday as opening film to the Rotterdam Film Festival. Samurai turns to Riverdance.

Eriik, Saturday, 24 January 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but just for the last three minutes which felt like a cheat to me

although i guess the dancing is foreshadowed a few times

that film left me pretty cold overall

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 January 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
bump

anyone for Hiroshi Teshigahara?

http://www.bfi.org.uk/showing/nft/teshigahara/calendar/index.php

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to three of them, Julio - Pitfall on Tuesday, Face Of Another on Thursday, then Rikyu on the Wednesday or Friday of the following week. An old friend is coming to the first two with me (no one you know) but you're obviously more than welcome to come along too - and I'm currently on my own for Rikyu, so if you fancy either showing of that say the word.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 18 July 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

cool, I'm seeing 'woman of the dunes' tomorrow. won't be there on tue, will try and make it to thurs.

Will def see 'rikyu' the following week.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone seen Suicide Club?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Japanese cinema. Audition, Gate of Flesh, Spirited Away and the rest of the anime films, Naked Blood, Stacy etc... Sure some of it is tacky, but it's good fun. Trying to say that Japanese cinema is all about giant monsters attacking cities is like trying to say American movies are all about cowboys and indians.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Contemporary Japanese cinema has it's own clichés, and once you get used to them they can be as irritating as their Hollywood counterparts. This applies especially to anime, which is fun for awhile, but gets really boring once you've seen enough of it. There are gems there, like Miyazaki's flicks, but a lot of the stuff that's imported to the West is mediocre shite aimed at the fanboy market.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

We rented "Suicide Club" last week - really good, albeit disturbing. Much graphic violence, much mystery, much schoolgirls leaping to their deaths on the subway track. What more can you want?

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Sunday, 18 July 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone seen the three most recent Seijun Suzuki films released on DVD (Underworld Beauty, Kanto Wanderer, Tattooed Life)? The first is a yakuza noir and the latter two are period yakuza films in color, I believe.

I found UB at Borders this weekend, but haven't had a chance to watch it.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 18 July 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Julio (and any other interested parties): I saw Pitfall tonight, and it was GREAT! I'm really looking forward to the next two now.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, saw 'woman...' and almost certain to see it again, I did a thread on ilm abt toru takemitsu just after seeing it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

So is anyone on for Rikyu on Wednesday (8.20) or Friday (8.40) night? I'm definitely going.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

DVDs of the two Ju-on TV movies (predating the Ju-on:Grudge two theatrical versions) arrived this morning, hopefully I'll get the chance to watch at least one tonight. Are they really better than the 'remakes', as I've read?

Suicide Circle/Club is genius, yes - but is it any better than Uzumaki? I think not, although for non-horror material Wild Zero is about as good as it gets.

Someone on this thread might know... I've managed to pick up a fantran of the second Ringu TV series (Saishuushou/'The Final Chapter') - has anyone ever seen a subbed version of either the first (Ring: Kanzenban, admittedly only a one-off rather than a series) or third series (Rasen: The Series)?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the new sarah michelle gellar movie (remake of ju-on) is directed by takashi shimizu!!

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I should be going on friday martin.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Great! I'll go on Friday too!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

cool, see you there.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Also watched the two remaining Tanaka films I'd not seen (The Wandering Princess and Love Under the Crucifix, her only color films) and they were disappointing compared to the others, with scripts that fail to match some great cinematography. (The same goes for her mentor Mizoguchi's color films.)

They're def dated curios as opposed to stone cold classics, but I'd rather watch Wandering Princess again than most David Lean epics.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 12 February 2026 22:02 (three months ago)

(ooh, my preordered Zen and Sword box has been dispatched, 10 days ahead of release)

koogs, Friday, 13 February 2026 16:54 (three months ago)

two months pass...

went to the Samurai exhibition at the British Museum (easter holidays, too many kids. too many people in general) and they were showing the new Shogun and the new Last Samurai thing (netflix apparently) and not much else in the way of films. but there was a tiny screen later on that was showing, of all things, both versions of 13 Assassins, which is not the most obvious (i don't remember kurosawa or mifune being mentioned at all, but i must be wrong)

this was coincidentally the day the new Arrow box of 13 Assassins, The Great Killing, 11 Samurai. they are all very similar, same antagonist for the first and last even (ok, different name, same initials, still the shogun's brother). and the fighting is so (realistically) scrappy. but nice upgrade from my ntsc video copy of 13A.

the commentaries for those have put me on a 47 Ronin jag. the 1958 Daiei doesn't appear to be in print anywhere but i've watched the 4 i have (Ako Castle rewatch tonight). it's nice how similar those are - you can track the same character across the different films by their mon. slightly annoyed that the 1941 Mizoguchi version has the actual raid offscreen. it was 3 and 3/4 hours long and they skipped the big action scene...

Wandering Ginza Butterly and Bushido disks have just turned up. i think that's the last of the 11 things i was particularly looking forward to.

koogs, Friday, 17 April 2026 12:35 (one month ago)

that netflix thing apparently Last Samurai Standing which is a modern japanese jidaigeki. maybe it'll get a dvd release. i still occasionally look for Shogun, but it's never there.

koogs, Friday, 17 April 2026 12:42 (one month ago)

Shogun is Disney + in the UK.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 17 April 2026 12:48 (one month ago)

slightly annoyed that the 1941 Mizoguchi version has the actual raid offscreen.

When I went through Mizoguchi's entire (sound-era) filmography recently that is the one movie I skipped as it looked too boring. I'm kind of bemused by the amount of adaptations of this story -- I've seen the Inagaki film and wasn't thrilled by it despite the star-filled cast.

Kim Kimberly, Friday, 17 April 2026 14:44 (one month ago)

That 1958 version can be streamed at jp-films should you be interested in watching that way.

Kim Kimberly, Friday, 17 April 2026 14:56 (one month ago)

I rewatched Street of Shame just last night, such a great movie.

Maresn3st, Friday, 17 April 2026 16:21 (one month ago)

the 1958 version is showing at the japanese embassy this month incidentally

https://www.uk.emb-japan.go.jp/JAPANUKEvent//event/2026/202604/12-JHL-TheLoyal47Ronin.html

koogs, Friday, 17 April 2026 16:40 (one month ago)

(the timing of that is pretty much perfect, the location is fine (walkable), the thought of sitting and watching a film for early three hours WITH PEOPLE means it'll never happen)

koogs, Friday, 17 April 2026 16:47 (one month ago)

loved the Mizoguchi 47 Ronin when I saw it, but then I'm a sucker for slow films with men on their knees for hours wracked with Feelings about Honour and Shame
also funny that it was commissioned as wartime propaganda about loyalty and sacrifice, yet underneath it's really a tragedy about the pointlessness cruelty that fealty demands

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 17 April 2026 16:53 (one month ago)

> I'm kind of bemused by the amount of adaptations of this story

it's hard to think of an English equivalent (ie real life event filmed endlessly). in a completely different vein, maybe the ripper murders? d-day landings?

The Fall Of Ako Castle is a very watchable version - hits all the same plot points, has good fighting.

koogs, Friday, 17 April 2026 20:32 (one month ago)


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