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my main experience with seders was in college. a bunch of nonobservant ultraliberal jews/half-jews/interested housemates would gather for an afternoon to eat overly lumpy charoset and get sick off manechewitz. someone would have borrowed hagaddahs from the religious center, but there would never be enough to go around and the only song that anyone even vaguely knew the tune for would be 'dayenu' (sp).

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

overly lumpy charoset

How does one fuck up charoset? It's the easiest thing to make, that's why we used to assign it to my grandfather.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't like big walnut pieces in the charoset.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Quincie, pulses are beans, peas and lentils etc. Matzah is the actual cracker:

http://www.paleotimes.org/images/matzo.jpg

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

has anyone here had that creamy horseradish stuff? i know, i know, sounds gross, but MAN is it ever good.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

possibly not kosher for passover, but it seemed apposite.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a standard roast beef condiment in britain.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god that picture is making me hungry--time for lunch!

How exactly is this horseradish used in the Passover sense (creamy horseradish spread on matah=idea I must pursue)?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever it is they put in Pret a Manger roast salmon and horseradish sandwiches is damn fine. It's creamy and horseradishy. Does that sound right? (Ugh, I'm so fucking bourgeois.) Horseradish for the seder is a big lump of raw horseradish. Making my mouth water just thinking about it.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/images/horseradish.jpg

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't that look appetising. Mmm mm mmmm.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

But is actual edible horseradish incorporated into any traditional Passover dishes? Can you (do you?) put it on your brisket?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't, but many people do, yes. They also dollop it onto their GEFILTE FISH.

Let us now recall the GEFILTE wars from the Rosh Hashanah thread.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

re: passover kugel

why the fuck would you try to make it out of matzo meal??!??! that would be about as dense as a neutron star.

the only passover kugel is POTATO kugel which is made basically the same way as regular potato kugel, of which im making about 10 lbs of come saturday.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

With any luck my mum will have made a similar quantity of charoset.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Need recipe for potato kugel immediately. Thanks.

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and is there such a thing as kosher booze other than wine? Kosher scotch or something?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Anything made from kosher ingredients can be certified kosher including alcohol. Whisk(e)y isn't kosher for passover though, nor beer.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

well, it goes something like this... I'm trying to recall from memory, but the recipe is not terribly exact anyway, its pretty forgiving.

10 potatoes, peeled if you wish, grated or food processed, then drained of moisture with a strainer
1-2 onions, (or to taste) grated/food processed
3-4 eggs, probably the more eggs, the richer it is
1/2 cup matzo meal(/flour if not pascal)
1/4 cup oil
a good amount of salt
black pepper to taste

mix all this together in a giant bowl, put it in a greased pan so that the stuff is about 2 inches high, bake at 350ºF for 1.5-2 hours till nice golden brown on top. I hate when cooked potatoes have any hardness left to them, so I'm going for closer to 2 hours.

pretty easy except for the mass grating of potatoes.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

sposedly vodka is made from potato, so thats ok.

i forget what gin is made from. Sake should be ok if your sephardic.

mmm...sake...

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

So potato kugel=kinda like latkes (sp?), only baked?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm kosher saki.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

You are all making me hungry. (I am, however, having Peruvian food tonight.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, "peru" rhymes with "jew"--almost the same.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Just make sure it's really potato vodka and not cheaper wheat vodka.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

yes yes! you could take the same goop, put it on a frying pan and have latkes. the same exact mixture.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

My great-grandparents distilled potato vodka in their backyard in some grim corner of pre-pogrom Belarus.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

In some grim corner of pre-pogrom Lithuania my great-grandparents owned a cow, which made them the envy of the shtetl I'm told.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I would like to go to a seder. I've always felt I was born into the wrong religion (ultra-WASPY episcopalian) and that my true self is a Jew. Kind of like some people are born biologically male but know deep down they are actually a chick.

Me too. I'm devoid of any spirituality and was born as such but if there's any religion I should've been born into it should've been Judaism as it's the only one I feel some affinity for.

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

N.B.: very few (if any?) Jewish ILXors are religious

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

O.K., so, honest question here--is one still popularly identified as Jewish even if one is completely secular (or for that matter an active member of some non-Jewish faith) or does the very term imply some sort of committment (however tenuous) to the Jewish faith?

Like, grown up me is an atheist so I don't think of myself as episcopalian, even though I was raised in that faith and that is the faith of my parents, etc. . . the same sort of thing does or does not apply to Judaism? Anyone?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I'm just trying to figure out the "not religious" thing one makes one a non-religious Jew or not a Jew at all.

Am I making any sense?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, I appear to have missed some words on that last post. So to recap: is a non-religious person of Jewish heritage a "not-religious Jew" or not a Jew at all?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

answers on this thread:

What makes a good babka? and other questions about traditional Jewish desserts

is one still popularly identified as Jewish even if one is completely secular

short answer: yes, and in fact this was the reason behind my response to Ian's comment

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, now I really want some babka. Never had it.

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

N.B.: very few (if any?) Jewish ILXors are religious
I do know the distinction between descent and religion.

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

shit! forgot a key ingredient in the kugel! you need to a tiny bit - 1/2 teaspoon of baking powder to make the stuff be fluffy. not too much, but a wee bit.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Does any of it make sense?

-- beanz (beanzil...), April 22nd, 2005.

No. And orthodox Judaism makes even less sense. Case in point, *they* accosted my girlfriend and gave her a box of "Shmurah Matzah", on which was printed this explanation:

"For the Seder one should try to have Shmuroh Matzo's [sic]. If it is difficult to obtain all three Shmuroh Matzo's, an effort should be made that at least the first 'kazayis' eaten should be Shmuroh. To fulfill the mitzvah of eating ('kazayis') Matzoh, one should try to eat an entire piece of Matzoh equivalent in size to 4x5 inches in no more than 4 minutes. If more than 6 minutes pass from the beginning till the finish, the mitzvah of eating 'kazayis' Matzoh has not been fulfilled..."

???

― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to be kind of religious. i went to a shabbas dinner last night and remember all the prayers and songs and stuff, to my surprise.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I brought some Kosher beer ("He'Brew")to a religious friend's parents' seder last year, forgetting -- of course -- the old no-yeast-at-Pesach no problem. My friend's mother literally screamed and ran out of the house with the six-pack when I turned up. Not a good start. We got invited back this year, though.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Matza blows, but matza brei rules the world with delicate, tasty fists.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Seda' Club

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Saturday, 23 April 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking Seder with the wife you're about to leave/be left by (god knows) with her parents (who know) and everyone else (who don't know, hence your presence) just gets more fun when it's your turn to read the bit from the Haggadah in your age-3-level Hebrew & half the crowd are cooing at the grown man's cute inabilities & the other half wonder why you didn't fuck off on a plane already & why you even came.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 24 April 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, that sounds awful. But if they're so petty that they can't act like normal human beings for one night and have to resort to amusing themselves at your Hebrew-reading abilities, then to hell with them.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 24 April 2005 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not the point.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 24 April 2005 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This is my first vegetarian passover, so the food isn't quite on point this year. I also didn't think I could get drunk during a seder, but hey, I did it, and now I have a headache and am trying o listen to Musik by Plastikman for the first time while fending off this headache/tiredness. Another seder tommorow, this is a bigger one though. I don't think hangovers and shul mix though.

― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Sunday, 24 April 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Just had an amazing (vegetarian) Passover with my wife & parents & six friends, one of whom flew in from San Francisco specifically for it and another of whom is visiting from NYC this week. I wrote/edited the haggadah a couple of years ago and revised it last week. Everybody cooked stuff. Really one of the best times I've had in ages.

― Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 24 April 2005 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You wrote your own Haggadah? Wow!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

We did our annual hybrid: secular reform Jew/lapsed Catholic pseudo-Seder w/edited & abridged Haggadah, lamb instead of brisket, latkes and haroset and most of trimmings. I've really come to enjoy this, it's better by far than Holy Week & Easter dinner at my grandparents.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, now I'm hungry (given both M. and Douglas's posts.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

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you're so "edgy"

― the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

no need for personal attacks

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

haha

― the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

COMMAS, PEOPLE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/80389a.gif

― gabbneb, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:03 (eighteen years ago)

it really is worth it to get the genuine huggable matzah ball. the knock-off ones give you a rash

― burt_stanton, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

I always eat way too many macaroons. Favorite are Manichevitz chocolate chip.

I love the Hillel sandwich why because it tastes intersting.

I try to do the unleavened kosher for Passover but usually some Gentile will trick me into eating cake on the last day, arguing with me over when the holiday ends.

what's passover like round your way?

Sometimes (including this year) I visit my parents. We invite the widow over, eat lamb and boiled egg and parsley and matzo ball soup. Then we play bridge, while the dog jumps on the table and eats a golf-ball shaped hole in the honey cake.

I like the idea of the stupid son.

― felicity, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:19 (eighteen years ago)

it only occurred to me now that the reason the GHMB looked just a bit small for hugging (lol, matzoh ball is hueg) was because it might not be meant for adults. i have to see my sister's plague kit.

i was holding onto the possibility that my mom had invented 'hillel sandwich', but i'm glad it's found elsewhere as well.

my parents are abandoning me for grandma, tho i may join them if i can and the crowd isn't too large already. i might end up leading a seder - lol?

― gabbneb, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:57 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

oh yeah, the hillel sandwich is in the hagaddah isn't it

happy pesach!

― gabbneb, Sunday, 20 April 2008 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

wtf with bay area "matzah shortage"?! By Saturday night, every single grocery store in town was completely out of matzah and matzo meal.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 21 April 2008 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Matzah blows. Sorry.

-- Hurting (Hurting), Friday, April 22, 2005 11:29 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION.

We didn't do Passover this year, as my Grandparents, who usually host, are on the other side of the country. Usually it's the seder with the reading and the singing and the wine and the plagues and the haroset and the bitter herbs and the matzoh ball soup and family arguments.

― ian, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

Plagues are A++++ would visit them on Egypt again.

― felicity, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 06:24 (eighteen years ago)

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