A Thread about the film JFK

(I must have time on my hands)

(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)

(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)

it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah

the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)

hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards

plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it

Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.

The motorcade sped on...

i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds

Or just read Posner's book.

Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.

I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).

obviously JFK complete and utter bunk as history, though of course donald sutherland makes the craziness seem almost plausible for a split second. one GOOD thing the movie did do was inspire the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that got out a lot of previously classified documents and historical information about the era.

and i agree with gear the movie is hilarious.

people like that shouldn't watch movies!

"oh go back to sleep, Jim"

"Dammit Liz, I been sleepin for three ye-ahs"

who could forget the scene where bacon, jones, and pesci are parading about painted in gold watching homoerotic silent 1920's sports footage!

"oh...no..."

***shot of sinister clock***

"h-how bad?"

"there's no woid yet, but they think it's in the he-ahd"

"You're way out there, boss, taking a crap in the wind, and I for one am not going along on this ride!"

i assume this poster was made for a country where Joe Pesci is more popular than Kevin Costner.

"Is this off the record Daddy-O? Good. In that case, let me sum it up for you real quick. If I answer that question you keep asking, if I give you the name of the big enchilada, you know ... then it's bon voyage Dino. I mean like permanent. I mean like a bullet in my head, you dig? You're a mouse fighting a gorilla. Kennedy is dead as that crab meat. The government's still breathing and you wanna line up with a dead man?"

x-post YO!

JIM
I don't know what to tell them. How 'bout the
truth - I'm doing my job to make sure they can
grow up in a country where justice won't be an
arcane, vanished idea they read about in history
books, like the dinosaurs or the lost continent
of Atlantis.

LIZ
That sounds dandy, but it doesn't replace a
father and a husband on Easter Day.

JIM
(angry, turns away)
It's going to get worse, honey.

Quote from Pesci about JFK: "[I was happy to see the Supporting Actor nomination go to Tommy Lee Jones.] When I see that I say, I helped. He worked with me and I helped him be good."

You know, I wonder if there's any behind-the-scenes footage in some vault of the filming of the party scene (where Pesci helped Jones be good).

You got an hour to solve the case while I get the kids in bed. Then you're mine. Mr. Kennedy will have to wait til mawnin'.

but then they didn't have sex til RFK got shot.

watched this over a couple nights with the kid, who is now old enough to handle it (though he covered his face during the Zapruder film and autopsy scene, i've seen it enough times to know when to warn him.) have to admit the Garrison closing argument hit a little harder in the current context, ambushed by unexpected emotion etc.

it's up to you!

The truth is on your side, bubba!

Do you have the balls enough to tell your son that Oswald was probably the lone shooter?

Do I have to spell it out for you?

Lee Oswald was no ordinary soldier.

He was in military intelligence, that's why he was trained in Russian.

It was no accident he was in Russia.

when it smells like it, feels like it, and looks like it, you call it what it is: fascism

i find it kinda interesting, maybe an edit flaw, that Clay Shaw's name was mentioned before they tied him to Clay Bertrand, when talking about who introduced former General Charles Cabell when he came to New Orleans. One scene before Broussard meets his confusingly Clay Shaw clone mob pal Joe, played by J.J. Johnston.

Jamelle Bouie is in the cult:

https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3mdywpwpfqc22

Lou: "Boss, the Vice President's appointed Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren to The Commission."

Jim: "Oh no! How bad?"

Lou: "There's no word yet but they think he's the head"

Jim: "Come on Lyndon, there's still a chance damnit!"

Cronkite: "From Washington DC - the flash, apparently official, Sacred Cow, Earl Warren, has been appointed head of The Warren Commission, at 1 pm Central Standard Time, some 38 minutes ago."

Jim: "God I'm ashamed to be an American today."

https://bsky.app/profile/theonion.com/post/3mkdjf6zxz72n

I suppose I could use a pot of hot coffee and a few packs of Luckys.