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i dont think the waiters are that bad at the union street location. the 49th street location is much different. there, the waiters hover, and they are all in black, and there is new-agey music playing!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

third for veselka

alli (alliok), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I like El Sombrero at Ludlow and Stanton, haven't been there since I moved back tho.

Word. Also, for REAL Mexican food: the Rocking Horse Cafe, Gabriela's, Los Dos Rancheros.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh JBR let's not fight over Mexican food again!

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

REAL MEXICAN

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

In which neighborhoods and how much do you want to spend and what if anything don't you eat?

A good place to check out if you want to spend lots of time (and major bandwidth warning) is the message board at chowhound.

Commentary on places mentioned before:

I second the recommendations for Gabriela's (90s location probably has a less annoying crowd than the 70s one), which is pretty good as far as NY Mex goes. Maya is a wonderful, if expensive, haute Mexican place on the southern tip of the Upper East Side. One of NY's better restaurants. As for other places, I've been once to the supposedly authentic La Palapa in the E. Village/LES and wasn't impressed, food- or other-wise. The others I don't know about.

Carmine's is not exactly subtle food, but it is better than one might expect and can be a great time for a group. Go for the Upper West Side branch, if convenient, to avoid the Times Square crowds (though I don't know what effect the theatre strike will have). If you do the Little Italy thing, you should know that the restaurants there aren't necessarily great (I don't know how they stack up against the E. Vill/LES places, which I've never been to). Of the ones there, Il Cortile can be pretty good.

Ollie's has a special place in my heart, but it is not worth your time unless you want slightly-better-than-average-Americanized (and excessively corn-starched) Chinese and it's nearby. Columbia branch better than the others.

John's Pizzeria (the Village place referenced, but not named, in Aaron Grossman's post, I believe) - very good pizza, not sure if it's a destination. V&T near Columbia is comparable. The great pizzerias are Lombardi's (in Little Italy/NoLita) and Patsy's (in Harlem, with V&T-quality branches elsewhere). You should, however, have some cheap, average NY pizza in addition to excellent, wood-burning-oven pizza to get the full experience.

Dosa Hutt - I've never been, but this place gets raves from most foodies. And you don't have to go to Flushing - there's one on Lexington in the 20s (26th?). Also nearby on "Curry Hill" is Curry in a Hurry, a great place for dosas and steam-table meals. That place, however, can't beat...

Pakistan Tea House in Tribeca (the place Tracer Hand was referring to). In the past year and a half, I've eaten in probably ten of the best restaurants in New York. I'm not sure I've had anything more memorable at those places than this place's Chicken Makhni platter with spinach and dal.

Coffee Shop - food shouldn't be the reason you go there (though it is decent). I'm not sure what should.

Blue Ribbon - I've never been to Blue Ribbon proper, but have been to the Blue Ribbon Bakery, slightly less, but still relatively, expensive. The food wasn't as amazing as I expected (though it was very good and I ordered strangely), but this place has great atmosphere.

Stuff you should try:

Hot Dogs - The classic places are the papaya ones (Gray's Papaya over Papaya King for me). F&B in Chelsea is a v. cute place with a chic'er and broader menu and probably better food.

The Soup Nazi - in midtown, open during the day. Cuisine in an expensive-for-lunch-but-cheap-for-quality cup (with lots of goodies added). Worth the adventure.

Sushi - but only if you go to one of the really good places, which will probably cost $. On the Upper East Side, Sushi of Gari is an inventive, fun (and pretty trendy for the UES) place that my Dad thinks has the freshest fish he's ever eaten (and he's eaten a lot). The invention here isn't quite my style (I do like invention, just a different kind), but many disagree. The other great sushi place, besides Nobu (which, like most big-name restaurants, is totally hit-or-miss) and the midtown-business-lunch places, is Jewel Bako in the East Village, where I've never been.

Chinese/Vietnamese in Chinatown/Little Italy - I'll leave the picks to others (I'm too Americanized to appreciate rice gruel). But I do like Funky Broome.

A cute/trendy/semi-cheapy French bistro like Le Pere Pinard on the LES. Metisse near Columbia has especially excellent food in this category, but is a much older, more sedate scene.

A personal pick - Beyoglu - on the Upper East Side (where it seems you won't be going), this place has really fantastic Turkish food, perhaps the best in NYC, for not all that much money. A group meal here can be great.

Are you a serious foodie planning on eating somewhere seriously gourmet/expensive? Cuz that's another discussion. I'll note that some of Danny Meyer's restaurants have comparatively cheap options - lunch at the bar at Union Square Cafe, the front room at Gramercy Tavern, the Tabla Bread Bar - that get you their very good (but not life-changing or anything) food and wonderful service for slightly less money.

Michael Daddino - are you the only other UES'er besides me? Am I going to run into you in Eli's (though I never have time to waste money there any more)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Japanese: East 9th St.: Hasaki (sushi) Yokocho (yakitori), Sobaya (soba), Otafuku (food stall, takoyaki, okonomiyaki, yakisoba), East 8th St.: Yakitori Taisho (yakitori), Go (yakitori), East 10th St. Rai Rai Ken (ramen), Sapporo East (family style) Tribeca&West Village: Zutto (sushi), E. 49th St. Sappporo (ramen)
Thai: East 28th St. Jai Ya Thai (purists can go to Queens location)
Korean: East 32nd St., Soho Woo Lae Oak (chain).
Indian: East 6th&West Village Mitali, 2nd Ave. Haveli, Balduchi (chain), Jackson Heights Jackson Diner.
Deli: 2nd Ave. Deli.
Sweets: Veniero's, E. 11th st. (never been)
Brooklyn: Juniors
Aspirational: Howard Johnson's Midtown


Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 07:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Jackson Heights Jackson Diner

Yes! But Ashoka is better.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 07:57 (twenty-three years ago)

mmm forgot Lombardi's. best pizza for miles. Lou Reed eats there!

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew there was a reason I'd been meaning to go there for awhile! (Ryucihi Sakamoto eats at Honmura An -- Soho soba shop -- but I can't think of much else to recommend it.) What's Ashoka Jody? More dosa?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It's another Indian buffet in Jackson Heights. No dosa on the buffet -- maybe on the regular menu (I've never looked).

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:40 (twenty-three years ago)

But does Lou Reed eat there?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I will add my approval to the following: Veselka, the fantastic Cuban restaurant that's really cheap at the corner of 1st and 1st in Manhattan, Cafeteria (MMMM the mac & cheese is GRATE + the crowd is echt NYC = Gareth must go), Congee Village, Papaya King for hot dogs.

the upper east side is way underrated. three reasons to visit: the pizza at, fuck, can't remember, it's on like 81st and First Avenue, is my favorite I've had in NYC. I also like Angel's on 63rd and First. and perhaps greatest of all, and a real NYC institution: SERENDIPITY on 60th between 2nd and 3rd. I had my b-day dinner there (thanks again, Andy!) and love it every single time I go there, which isn't frequently enough. HUGE ice cream desserts, good soup and regular U.S. fare (nachos, burgers, chicken) done really well. the interior design is SICK--basically it's '70s nostalgia for the '30s. Andy Warhol ate there regularly, and it's where John & Yoko went for ice cream after John got his green card. Love it love it love it.

I live around the corner from Curry Hill, the heavily Indian-restaurant populated area of Murray Hill, and there are quite a few good places there. what I remain a perpetual sucker for, however, is Curry in a Hurry on 28th and Lexington--quick, delicious, well priced (big chicken tikka masala platter w/rice, naan and vegetable side is $9.19 including tax) and once you go upstairs to eat very atmospheric, w/blue walls and one of about three Bollywood flix playing silently on a small TV screen, huge picture windows to look out of. (plus Gareth can compare it to similar UK spots.)

and hell yes stay away from Dojo.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Cafeteria is hella overrated y'all.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:45 (twenty-three years ago)

But '70s nostalgia for the '30s is where it's at.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I also like Angel's on 63rd and First.

Seconded, although I haven't been there in years.

Curry in a Hurry is k-classiXor.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)

When you guys say 1st and 1st do you mean Boca Chica? Please tell me there's a good restauraunt at 1st and 1st.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Boca Chica is the one, yeah. and :-p about Cafeteria

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I miss Ed Debevic's. But we've always got the Bendix. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

for good, ridiculously large dosas: Madras Mahal (in Curry Hill)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

New York is terrible for sushi though. There are so many sushi bars in the city, but they mostly serve the same boring choices [tuna, salmon, yellowtail, shrimp, and a california roll] - and they're not even all that fresh... But they all count on the fact that most people can't tell the different either way. Also, they make the fish pieces way too big so that people are impressed, but what they're getting for their money is a big slab of not-so-fresh fish. Like at Japonica or Yama or Tomoe. Nobu was okay, though the real draw there is their non-sushi menu, like the famous black cod with miso. Next Door Nobu has cheap'ish soba too if you want to see what all the hype was about but not pay thru the nose. Anyhow, its impossible to get good cheap sushi. If the sushi is cheap, that means they bought a cheap fish. But then again, just because it's expensive doesn't mean its that great either.

Though Jewel Bako in the East Village is really truly fantastic, really super-expensive. One piece of otoro is $20. The omakase is either $70 or $100. And don't arrive hungry, because you'll leave hungry. Oooh, but my favorite is Sushi Hatsu on 1st avenue and like 58th street. It's open till maybe 2am and they have the widest variety of fish [many flown in from japan] and THE freshest yummiest fish on the east coast. They have maybe 50 varieties of fish including many I've never heard of - but the waiter can explain what the differences are. It's crazy expensive though. And they only take American Express.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:27 (twenty-three years ago)

what is ghenet like? khyber pass?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hm. Take me to all these good places when I visit again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

So what's Les Halles like? Is it as hyperactive as Bourdain's writing? (not that he's there that much anymore apparently)

chris (chris), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

actually, the pizza place i was talking about is arturos i think. it is not that famous or well known but i loved it last time i was there.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

My word I went to Lombardi's. Nobody told me I was running the risk of bumping into Reed. That would have been awful.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Les Halles is greasy and French and pretty great for rue de camier/bleary eyes in the 1e chic. A good Frenchy default.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Cafeteria is perfectly fine but there are so many beter places to eat in Chelsea. Park is not one of them.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I like where Matos wrote "gareth must go." It reminds me of Jade from BBC BB2 (I think 2?).

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Les Halles is the joint where Anthony Bourdain chefs, I've got a lot of respect for him. I like down home country french cookery.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

New York is terrible for sushi though.

in my experience, this is somewhat true (while not exactly terrible) not only for NYC but for anywhere off the pacific rim. you can only freeze seafood for so long before you sacrifice freshness.

that being said: nobu nyc was really great ALL THINGS CONSIDERED (ie, far lesser than nobu la and on par with nobu vega$). i will be going to the original nobu next month... anyone ever been?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

which is where?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

omotesando/aoyamagakuinchumae, minatoku (tokyo)

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

aha

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never been to Les Halles and I only live four blocks away! Must make up for that shortly. (I hear it's pretty expensive, though, which is not good if like me yr on something of a budget.)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

gosh i am getting hungry. here is a more specific question. where in nyc should i go to get steak bearnaise mit pommes frites? ("mit" is german bcz that is where i first had bearnaise ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to go to Kybher Pass all the time when I was in college. It was pretty good. When I came back from Japan the only sushi I could eat without gagging was at hasaki and zutto. (Nobu is good but fancy not like real Japanese sushi.)

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Good cheap Dominican food is at El Castillo de Jagua on Rivington.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

(The sushi chef at NaNa not only used to work at Nobu but he designed the menus at Sushi Samba and Ruby Foo's - never had sushi quite that good before though I'm no expert - the RICE was so good - the widdle wice gwains were totally individual with their own little "pop" when I bit into them)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 02:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Lombardi's is extrodinarily overrated.

I will second Serendipity but not the food, the desserts are where it's at.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Cafeteria is perfectly fine but there are so many beter places to eat in Chelsea. Park is not one of them.

Oh Lord, tell me about it. I worked there for three months and the food is horrific [and really fucking expensive]. Though I have to say, the Brunch isn't that bad if you don't mind terrible service. $17 for 2 courses and a mimosa, in a really nice garden. The place looks prety nice, in the early evening when all the trashy people haven't arrived yet. Anyways, NYC restaurants spend too much money on design and not enough on, like, food.

Lombardi's is the best pizza in New York, but still can't beat pizza in CHICAGO!!

love,
phil

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

oo, I forgot about Serendipity. If you go there, make sure to check out Dylan's Candy Bar (a candy store) on the corner of the 3d and 60th. Twee if that's an appropriate word for something owned by Ralph Lauren's daughter. Not very brown though.

Also, must have bagels. Most NY'ers go for the enormous, doughy variety epitomized by H&H Bagels.You can also get this variety at Pick-A-Bagel (and Ess-A-Bagel? which some consider the best). The classic, smaller, crustier kind are probably epitomized by Columbia Bagels (also sold at Zabar's, which is essential in its own right).

I'm pretty sure the pizza place Matos is referring to is Totonno's, on Second Ave between 80th and 81st. It's a branch of the Coney Island original, which is considered one of if not the best in NY, but the branch is supposed to be not quite as good (I've never been).

I miss Ed Debevic's too.

Aspirational: Howard Johnson's Midtown

Intrigued by this description - ? Is this like how you would describe the late Sholl's Colonial Cafeteria in DC?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 04:27 (twenty-three years ago)

it's not Totonno's, it's more of a semi-fancy (subdued brown interior, but decent prices) Italian place on First.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)

the best pizza i have ever eaten was made in the bronx.

also hoboken, nj.

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha eating from the Khyber Pass, cor blimey.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:57 (twenty-three years ago)

the best pizza I've ever eaten was in Seattle, at Pagliacci's, a great local chain

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Les Halles is definately in the pretty expensive bracket, Bourdain Recommends that the best night to eat out in NYC are tuesady, wednesday, thursday.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I just finished reading his cook's tour book. I think I need to go to Vietnam. And St John.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Sammy's Roumanian Steakhouse!

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Agreed, Vietnam seems to be culinary utopia. (if you have already read his Kitchen Confidential as well)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i should be able to answer this but i’m kind of struggling to think of a place that has both. best cocktails in the neighborhood are at diamond dogs, a bar you are allowed to bring food into, and it is surrounded by a few really excellent places, all within a few steps (il bambino (great sandwiches imo), djerdan (burek), even the chinese place golden dragon is solid and soooo cheap. there’s also bareburger (adequate) and milkflower (cool if you like shitty truffle pizza, idk some people do, i hate them))

ivy., Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:27 (one year ago)

oh a solid place that might have what you’re looking for is oliver’s, on broadway. i can’t remember their cocktails rn but other ppl rep for them, the food is unspectacular but consistently good imo

ivy., Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:30 (one year ago)

What about Sek'end Sun and Bonnies?

I don't have specific memories of those places being great, just know they were decent joints.

Not cheap but Mar's was always good.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:42 (one year ago)

The Bonnie, not Bonnies.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:47 (one year ago)

i have definitely been to the bonnie and enjoyed myself but can't remember anything concrete. sek'end sun will do but to me that's very much a "will do" kind of place

ivy., Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:53 (one year ago)

i have eaten at zyara on steinway street multiple times in the past six weeks. beef shawarma is killer.

adam, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:58 (one year ago)

Thanks for the recommendations. My friend suggested The Pomeroy, so that's where we are going. Will report back.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 8 November 2024 13:22 (one year ago)

My friend who just moved there, I should specify, he hasn't been.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 8 November 2024 13:23 (one year ago)

four months pass...

Marlow & Sons in Williamsburg is apparently closing after 21 years in business

Josefa, Saturday, 5 April 2025 20:00 (one year ago)

That’s the end of an era.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 5 April 2025 20:19 (one year ago)

nevermind that - the pencil factory is closing

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 5 April 2025 21:17 (one year ago)

i have eaten at zyara on steinway street multiple times in the past six weeks. beef shawarma is killer.

Went there today and yeah, it’s delicious

calstars, Monday, 7 April 2025 00:53 (one year ago)


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