Here is some Stepin Fetchit. His work has to be seen to be believed; I also think it's worth knowing that this was mainstream Hollywood once up a time, and he became a very rich man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OFvL75Ww0
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
According to Wikipedia, he was the first black millionaire; he also eventually declared bankruptcy with a net worth of less than $200 dollars
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
wikipedia incorrect there, i know ernest hogan was a millionaire well before thathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hogan
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
The Fetchit wiki says first black actor, while Hogan appears to be a song-and-dance entertainer. Maybe they're differentiating that way.
― nickn, Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
surprised we're not talking about Palin's "shuck and jive" comment ITT
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Everyone knows that was racist
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, no question.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Sarah Palin makes me feel ill. She is a creepy, evil person.
I don't know that Sarah Palin necessarily had a racist intent with that! I just think that she is:a. cluelessb. doesn't understand that racism isn't about intent, it's about effect and perceptionc. doesn't get the idea of institutional racism giving her words greater weight and context
but, upon judging her reaction:so this "well, it wasn't racist when.." crap that she's being totally clueless on just leads me to the fact she'll never, ever get b&c so is probably personally racist
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think you need racist 'intent' to actually be racist. like you can be a lot of things despite your intent. 'intent' is an awful big compliment in itself to give to certain people, because sometimes it seems like they don't have intentions at all so much as passing spasms of neural activity that appear purposeful from a distance.
― s.clover, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
racism isn't about intent, it's about effect and perception
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
for all intents (heh) and purposes, her stance is that she doesn't need to watch her language or apologize, so she's pretty much in the "I can say whatever I want" camp
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Sarah Palin is clueless. She does this calculated dog-whistle shit all the time, only this time it's well within human hearing range.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
Probably. I kind of feel that sometimes it's a self-reinforcing thing where every time someone is rebuked for saying something racist that they think is just how normal people speak, they make a point to firm up their language to include more of that shit. Not so much dog whistling as just being an asshole in the attempt to get other assholes to join your side.
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
"I'm not an asshole, I just use old-fashioned folksy language my community uses, just like they used it 50 years ago to oppress black people."
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
I’ve been known to use the phrase most often when chastising my daughter Piper to stop procrastinating and do her homework. As she is part Yup’ik Eskimo, I’m not sure if this term would be deemed offensive when it’s directed at her or if it would be considered benign ... Just to be careful, from now on I’ll avoid using it with Piper, and I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and “when hell freezes over,” as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
we were talking earlier about cases where the word "privilege" is useful
i have been cogitating on that last phrase for a while, not sure if i'm missing some note of racism in it or if that's just the 100% bonkers moment in her response
― j., Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
tbf, Palin probably has the privilege of seeing virtually zero black people in Alaska
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
falls into the same crap as that Trump thing imo, definitely racist bullshit
― Nhex, Friday, 26 October 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
Trump, that guy. Pretty sure he's made a net of zero dollars, inflation factored in, from his inheritance. Among other travesties.
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
mh, i disagree. racism isn't just about effect and perception. it is about being a genuinely horrible and prejudiced specimen of humanity who is actually racist and actually discriminates. you just dont have to 'intend' to be that to pull it off.
― s.clover, Friday, 26 October 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
That is what I said! No intent necessary.
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
Your intent means shit when your background is 100% privileged horseshit. You just spew garbage, no intent necessary.
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
look is there any possible way at ALL she would have used that term about a white person? not worth giving her any benefit of the doubt at all.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 26 October 2012 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
sarah palin is basically an IRL racist non-musically talented versh of a face in the crowd, except her "oops mic is on" moment was resigning as governor.
― sug ones (omar little), Friday, 26 October 2012 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
We're forgetting the gossip about Palin referring to Obama as 'Sambo' during the 2008 primaries? Probably true IMO.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Friday, 26 October 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozajnqh4V8M
I've heard this song for the first time today.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ the idea that sarah palin is not personally racist. i mean, s. clover otm, but still.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
seriously
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
she can be racist and an idiot, come on, guys
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
never attribute to malice what can be explained by idiocy
then again, she's a malicious idiot, I am so on the fence here
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
The way she plays the 'I can't be racist, because I'm married to someone not totally white' card? What a crass bit of whataboutery.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know firsthand, but this Palin's husband's part Eskimo sounds like how everyone around here who has a grandmother who was a quarter Cherokee.
― pplains, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
you too?
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
p. sure you mean inuit, racist
xp
― mookieproof, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
palin thing's like the manifest destiny thing in that, while i can actually believe that sarah palin is uneducated enough to not know what "shuck and jive" means, her reaction to having it explained to her isn't "oh shit i had no idea i'm sorry" but an ultrasarcastic version of "fuck you liberal p.c. police for making a big deal out of something which as far as i can see totally doesn't matter at all, i will not consider the feelings or experiences of others and i certainly will not learn any history, stop telling me i can't say and do whatever i want all the time. next you'll be saying we can't talk about low temperatures amirite haha buymybook."
manifest destiny guy was a designer by profession and not a culture warrior so his version of this was more benignly phrased (who knows what words mean man, i have my own meaning and it resonates with me) which is less obnoxious but not really any better.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
all of that is obv yes racist.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
anyway i liked hill's comeback here a lot: http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/05/26/oreilly-to-marc-lamont-hill-say-youre-a-cocaine/165373
(i guess it'd be better if he didn't laugh as if this was all just friendly japery but whatever it's nervewracking being on tv and coming up w "you look like a cocaine user" in the allotted time is plenty fleetfooted enough)
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
kudos Tesco!https://www.tescoparty.com/FancyDress/Product_Detail.aspx?ProductID=FANC0177
https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC0177_lnk.jpg
https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC1915_lnk.jpg
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
Includes:Two arm cuffs, two ankle cuffs and grass skirt.Excludes:Wig and necklace.
Includes: grass skirtExcludes: the things we added to make it more obviously racist
― oh shawx (onimo), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
many questions are raised by these photos, one of which is "was Rob Brydon really that hard up?"
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
what in the shit
― goatee-framed sphincter-mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I'm just sad there isn't a "this is definitely racist" thread.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
i am genuinely a little surprised that a company the size of Tesco thinks this shit is okay. can see a fairly high profile backlash happening if people pick up on this.
― chow mein kampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
link was taken from a friend's Twitter stream, it's the kind of thing that might "go viral" I suppose, or at least I hope it does.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
does the costume come w/ full body blackface, too?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
this guy's expression is killing me tho, also is he holding a bottle of hot sauce?
FWIW https://twitter.com/neilstewart/status/263691305220202497
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
I'm guessing it's Reggae Reggae Sauce
― oh shawx (onimo), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link