> GNU GRUB version 2.00-7ubuntu11> BASH-Line editing is supported for the first word, TAB lists possible command completion anywhere else > TAB lists possible device or file completion
the Grub command line is not the linux command line - it's just a tiny bootstrap program that'll let you examine and mount boot images, and change boot parameters. you shouldn't ever need to use it, especially not on a live cd.
that said, my older laptop wouldn't boot livecds without extra boot parameters, specifically acpi=off. also removing things like 'splash' from the command line might give you better visibility of what's happening.
and, yes, patience is needed with livecds.
― koogs, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 08:50 (eleven years ago) link
trying out Mint linux - slick interface!
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
@dow, - maybe late but could try to boot from llinux on usb stick
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
My weekend project:
http://lfsbook.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks Latham, the laptop owner just wanted some way to add speed and avoid freeze, so I gave up on getting linux the way I was asking about, and deleted some stuff never used; that seemed to suffice, so far. But I wouldn't mind having linux as backup on my own Windows laptop (405 GB free). Maybe I'll try the usual disc method, but how would I get it on a USB stick?
― dow, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks!
― dow, Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
I installed ubuntu side by side with windows XP - you have the option of which to boot into when you startup. or if you have a big usb stick just run it off there if you like.
BTW Mint linux is really impressive so far!
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 4 January 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
i dual-installed Mint 13 a few months ago and plan to migrate over to it between now and when support for ubuntu Lucid LTS runs out (april). i can't get on with Unity and with Mint 13 the Mate alternative supports all the stuff fussy old me likes / requires.
not keen on mint's enormous menu though, seems to involve a lot of movement to get to where you want to be.
― koogs, Friday, 4 January 2013 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
Unity is annoying. I dont get the appeal
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
I switched my 5 y.o. laptop from windows xp to Mint 14 (with xfce) on an SSD last week and i really like it so far. I was going to get a new computer to replace it, but this is running well enough that I'm probably not going to bother.
― 1.5GB of audio-destroying fluff (los blue jeans), Sunday, 6 January 2013 03:12 (eleven years ago) link
Los, how much memory do you have for it on yr laptop?
― dow, Sunday, 6 January 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
Not too get too nosy, just wondering how much is required--and how much I'd need to keep Win 7 and add something like Mint 14 etc
― dow, Sunday, 6 January 2013 03:20 (eleven years ago) link
OH SURE, just poke around my medicine cabinet a bit while you are at it
Right now it takes up a little over 5 gigs, but you should probably set up at least a 20 gb partition
― 1.5GB of audio-destroying fluff (los blue jeans), Sunday, 6 January 2013 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
Get a raspberry PI for Linux!
― Binder, Binder & (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 January 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago) link
i've 3 different linux distros on this laptop and i give them 10GB each for the operating system (which is 70% used on this one) but /home is separate (and huge because that's where all my files are). and, i think, 2GB of swap (for 4GB of ram) but i'm not sure that's applicable for an SSD
― koogs, Sunday, 6 January 2013 10:39 (eleven years ago) link
I was wondering today if you put a linux virtual machine on yor upc how encrypted the files on it are from other users- like is it a way of encrypting your data if you felt like it
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Monday, 7 January 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
If you used an encrypted filesystem in the VM image, sure.
― mh, Monday, 7 January 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
using Oracle virtualbox
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Monday, 7 January 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
koogs, would you have a smaller swap for an SSD?
― 1.5GB of audio-destroying fluff (los blue jeans), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
no idea. all the schemes i knew for sizing these things were relevant in the days of MBs of RAM, not GBs.
but it was more the limited writes of ssds that has me worried - isn't the swap partition written to more frequently than other parts of the disk, which would suggest it'd wear out sooner. yeah, i know, wear levelling algorithms in the hardware and all. would be interesting to know.
here's something: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
but even that seems outdated given
"High RAM and high disk space With 2 GiB RAM and 100 GB hard disk, use 2 GiB for swap since hard disk space is plentiful."
and neither 2GB ram nor 100GB HDD is particularly "high" imo
― koogs, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 09:54 (eleven years ago) link
in 2013 nobody really knows how big to make a swap partition
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
It was ever thus
― badg, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
was always HALF RAM, or maybe TWICE RAM (i forget). but then ram and disk became orders of magnitude cheaper and faster and more available, maybe to the point where things just don't swap out anymore. (also, a lot of linux machines are now single user so there are fewer processes running)
― koogs, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 09:45 (eleven years ago) link
I jsut spent the morning screwing with shared folders with virtual box/mint linux and -I failed
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
shared between virtual box and the host? have had trouble with that in the past. it works for one combination of guest additions / kernel and then you update and it all breaks. i ended up using a samba share, effectively copying everything over the network even though it's the same disk.
am several minor versions behind with box virtualbox and ubuntu but am sticking with something i know works.
― koogs, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
Booting my raspberry pi for the first time right now. I used Linux as my only OS from 2002 til 2006 but haven't really touched it since so this feels strange.
― joygoat, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
I coudl not understand what to put for mountpoint in the command line or for that matter what tp put for share - I did get usb integration to work for moving files out of virtual machine to host but that crashed my whole pc - so I guess it idd not realy work
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 10 January 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
Update. It worked and I got nice German pop files.
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
What is a "nice German pop file?"
― fields of salmon, Monday, 21 January 2013 11:42 (eleven years ago) link
i've comitted to running linux as my main os after about 8 years and glad to see everything is still a pain in the ass
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:38 (eight years ago) link
at least my wireless card works out of the box they fixed that i guess
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:42 (eight years ago) link
Let us know what else still sucks
― Sean, let me be clear (silby), Sunday, 15 May 2016 03:05 (eight years ago) link
* fontconfig* unity* kde plasma* amarok/banshee/rhythmbox
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Sunday, 15 May 2016 04:36 (eight years ago) link
Mint with Mate is my preferrence, once you've aliased all the forked apps back to their original names (caja? Atril? Wtf?)
And audacious, the winamp of the Linux world, does everything I need in a player.
― koogs, Sunday, 15 May 2016 05:02 (eight years ago) link
the proprietary nvidia driver has been nothing but a headache, seriously considering just using my integrated chip
* plymouth boot splash in low resolution with glitched graphics* the contents of a window when dragging in gnome 3 is choppy* screen blinks when starting xscreensaver and each time it draws an image in webcollage* it appears i can only use sddm, since lightdtm and gdm do not seem to be able to load the driver in time
on the plus side i figured out a good fontconfig, liberation fonts + no hinting + lcdfilter; fonts in firefox are no longer giant and fonts in chromium no longer tiny. settled on lollypop as a music player, since it's the closest to "what i want in a player". i would be using gnome-music since that looks very nice, but their album view is sorted by album name, not by artist then album/year. wtf? who wants that? might submit a patch to add sorting options
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 20 May 2016 14:33 (eight years ago) link
lol did you guys see that the Windows 10 update will have linux binary support for developers? not meant as a deployment or server platform, but it's native support to the point where you can use the Ubuntu package management and install the same binaries
it's just all routed through a driver/dll that translates linux system calls to windows system calls
so no support for anything other than the command line, but... no more fucking with cygwin
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 20 May 2016 14:41 (eight years ago) link
havent had to use windows in ages but cygwin was the bane of my existence when i did. tech looks pretty cool and i'm interested to see how far both parties take this
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 20 May 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link
it's a good fully half-assed solution instead of unsupported half-assed solutions
perhaps a 3/4-assed solution
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 20 May 2016 14:58 (eight years ago) link
terrible battery usage for some reasonsound is bad on any type of video playbackzx spec emulator Fuse won't go 3x display, it does on Windows.larger font on Firefox bookmarks, meaning they don't all fit on screen
I love it otherwise! :)
btw this is through Ubuntu unity so I might switch to Mint based on comments above.
― Ste, Thursday, 3 August 2017 10:27 (six years ago) link
unity is going away, not sure what'll replace it, maybe gnome 3.
― koogs, Thursday, 3 August 2017 10:47 (six years ago) link
https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-back-to-gnome/
― koogs, Thursday, 3 August 2017 10:50 (six years ago) link
Yeah unfortunately I found that out three seconds after the installation had completed. My fault for being so hasty.
Can you recommend some good free linux tutorial places? I have been using Linux Academy for about a month just to learn the basics of the Terminal commands and overall structure of linux. It's really helped but alas budget means I can no longer afford the monthly fee.
― Ste, Thursday, 3 August 2017 11:41 (six years ago) link
There's a good terminal walk-through here (though it is geared towards Mac, but a lot of concepts will carry over to any Unix-style system):http://furbo.org/2014/09/03/the-terminal/
Is there a particular Linux-related application or project you're interested in?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
great news re: unity
― tpp, Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
i don't use linux on my personal computer anymore but still use it a lot at work (usually as a VM, strictly via command line). reading the last few pages of posts on this thread about how rhythmbox, unity etc still being shit is making me laugh/cry
it is quite crazy to me how mainstream linux has become in corporate / cloud world given how it was kinda a "rebel" thing many aeons ago. not knowing at least the basics can seriously hold you back these days.
― tpp, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
damn that is pretty nice. when i first started at my current job, i was forced to use a windows laptop for the first few years and yeah cygwin is the pits.
― tpp, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
I'm using it right now to tweak around with configuration schemes while waiting for a virtual machine to get provisioned, pretty good
― mh, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
it's kind of ridiculous, if you don't have another version of the bash installed, typing "bash" from the normal windows command line will launch you into the steps to enable developer mode and download the compatibility layer
― mh, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
I have it installed, the only thing I've played on it is Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup (ascii mode)
which it handles v well indeed tbf
(yes there is a native Windows version so I don't know why I did that, except that I installed the bash/Ubuntu subsystem for Windows, didn't know what to do with it, then thought "lol sudo apt-get crawl amirite")
if it can save me from the bash that comes with git for Windows it may be worth it but after several months I haven't got that far yet (also git-bash may have improved since last time I installed git on Windows)
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link