They're Remaking 'Alien' -- the 'Prometheus' thread

just dumb enough, imo

it was totally a balls-to-the-wall action movie, what the hell?? of course the humans posed some dopey questions, wouldn't you on a mission like that? and in the end the only question that needs answering, as in all the other alien movies, is how the fuck are we going to get out of here

so why does the re-woken engineer wake up and want to kill them

nothing in this movie makes sense unless you make up fanfic explanations for like 70% of the shit that happens

― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, October 12, 2012 3:33 PM (18 minutes ago)

repeating myself here but that engineer was visibly mutated - something I didn't catch the first time I saw it. there's a lot going on in prometheus and a second viewing helps. I agree there's some stupid shit scott should've fixed, especially when he's asking the audience to connect the dots in several instances, but I'm willing to look past the imperfections cause I enjoyed its daffy bigness.

i kinda liked the engineer just killing people, and to me it dovetailed well with the faith stuff, this idea that maybe well come across the super intelligence that created us and actually it wont be benevolent and fatherly or motherly, itll be incomprehensible and violent

exactly, and this is precisely what i got such a kick out of. on the "fanfic" angle i also agree there's a LOT (too much) unexplained but i dunno im comfortable with that. and not sure what Scott's pretentions about "big questions" has to do with the actual enjoyment provided by watching the movie.

I mean it was so laughable I was laughing when I first saw it but I was never bored, and I prefer wacky sci-fi where the joints don't align over a finely tuned narrative machine like avatar where all my questions are answered and yawn

plus there are things in prometheus I enjoy mulling over - like how david, the robot w/ no emotion shows more wonder at what he's discovering than all the humans combined, especially when compared with the petulant holloway - again, something that didn't occur to me on first viewing

xp

incomprehensible and violent? truly they are the gods of our fathers

did you guys ever see Pandorum, is this better or worse?

frankly, the notion that humans are accidental by-product of a bio-weapon created by a super-intelligent race that looks on us as something to be exterminated (ie, like Aliens) strikes me as kind of a unique answer to "big questions."

it occurs to me that prometheus is the first real sci-fi movie in the alien series

What, because having space bases and killer aliens on them isn't science fiction?

Ripped from today's headlines.

didn't AVP answer the question that we and aliens both were created by predators for hunting?

lol you guys are tying yourselves in knots

AVP >>>>>>>> prometheus

and avp was, until then, the worst thing ot happen to the alien universe

actually, its arguable whether avp or alien ressurection's band of cheeky gauls was worse

i'll grant you lance henriksen was a superior weyland, and looked more convincing as a gaunt specter of death.

This is all going to end with s1ocki reenacting Dennis Hopper's breakdown in The Last Movie.

well there's sci-fi where the fi overshadows the sci, like star wars or other space operas, then there are things like star trek that are more about exploration, the future as a new reality to be understood, what new species tell us about humanity etc. alien is a haunted house movie where the house is a spaceship, aliens is a war movie where the battlefield is a planet, alien3 is a prison movie etc...

xps

I still don't know wtf alien resurrection is, if you figure it out please write

frankly, the notion that humans are accidental by-product of a bio-weapon created by a super-intelligent race that looks on us as something to be exterminated (ie, like Aliens) strikes me as kind of a unique answer to "big questions."

Actually, this has been kicking around the alien abduction branch of UFO conspiracy theory for awhile. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia

a french farce xp

la cage aux xenomorph

They open up the pod, Nathan Lane steps out...

"IT'S HUGE WHITE AND TERRIFYING, RUN."

I still don't know wtf alien resurrection is, if you figure it out please write

Alien Resurrection is an 8-page story from a 1979 issue of Heavy Metal magazine - only it hasn't been translated from the original French.

there ya go.

lance henriksen was in an Aliens movie!!! I wish he had been in more movies. I've only watched the first two Aliens and this one ,but reading this thread has made me want to see them all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zCbtPL_Kng
"weyland yutani... bought out by WAL-MART" kind of sums up alien resurrection

I see prometheus on the more speculative end of sci-fi which is the genre's sweet spot imo... and speculative works tend to be less concerned with rational character behavior and narrative consistency

yet this is somehow still otm:

and in the end the only question that needs answering, as in all the other alien movies, is how the fuck are we going to get out of here

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, October 12, 2012 3:54 PM (20 minutes ago)

re: lance henriksen -- he was in almost as many alien movies as sigourney weaver! RIP BISHOP

nothing to do w/ this movie (haven't seen) but, i'd love to see a movie about aliens that flips the usual comment on human militarism (do we try to talk to them or do we fight them) -- make the aliens factional in that way.

what

I guess I'll be watching all of them soon, haven't seen Aliens 2 since it came out, and only remember there being a little girl hiding, and military type men.

I feel like I should mention PREDATORS again so there it is

goole idgi can you unpack yr science faction scenario

plenty of alien movies are like this:

1. humans encounter aliens (accidentally, whatev)
2. mutual incomprehension = potential for violence
3. humans are divided on question: try to comprehend or opt for violence quickly

most alien movies solve this problem by making the aliens malevolent. i'm saying, add 4. the aliens are divided by that exact question themselves

aliens are ppl too

there was an alien comic where the android wasn't a humanoid but built in the shape of an alien so it could observe their behavior, but it was still basically the servant to the human scientists so they had scenes with this alienbot serving the science crew tea and wearing a baseball cap -- i think the alienbot got stockholm syndrome or something and started mauling the scientists. does that qualify?

it's p curious that in alien/monster stories it's generally only humans that have any politics

i guess the big trend of werewolf/vampire hidden society shit cuts against this

maybe this could be a sequel for "to serve man", detailing the burgeoning movement of vegetarian aliens, they listen to black metal, argue with the ones advocating for free range humans, etc

nothing to do w/ this movie (haven't seen) but, i'd love to see a movie about aliens that flips the usual comment on human militarism (do we try to talk to them or do we fight them) -- make the aliens factional in that way.

― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, October 12, 2012 3:40 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not "aliens" per se but battlestar galactica had a ton of this

the newer one

oh right. i never wanted to soldier through that cos i kept hearing the final season was so terrible

Countdown to renting the DVD this weekend! Will be the third time watching it.

Totally understand and respect why people can't get over this film's misfires, but... the film I can't forgive myself for not walking out on this summer was that Batman movie -- for me, that is the definition of meaningless, uninspired, rote journeyman direction and autopilot acting. Give me unpredictable batshit insanity over competence any fucking day of the week.

& I agree with EdIII -- everything that's important about this film, the science fiction under the hood, strikes the right balance between consistent and mysterious

That would be great if Ridley could go back to the original Alien and reconstruct the scene of Ash going "I admire their purity", then cut to Ash watching xenomorph version of C-SPAN where Alien congress is debating the human question with half of the chairs absent and one particularly elderly Alien congressman visibly falling asleep and drooling from his second mouth, then Ash just closing his eyes and shaking his head.

I want another Alien film and the big reveal is that there's only one human on board

there was an alien comic where the android wasn't a humanoid but built in the shape of an alien so it could observe their behavior, but it was still basically the servant to the human scientists so they had scenes with this alienbot serving the science crew tea and wearing a baseball cap -- i think the alienbot got stockholm syndrome or something and started mauling the scientists. does that qualify?

this sounds amazing

everything that's important about this film, the science fiction under the hood, strikes the right balance between consistent and mysterious

― Milton Parker, Friday, October 12, 2012 5:00 PM (12 minutes ago)

plus there's some iconic imagery, the sequence w/ david and the starmap is something I really started digging, thinking about the implications of a robot experiencing wonder at the creation of the creators of his creator

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/movies/2012/06/120607_MOVIES_PROMETHEUS.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/prometheus_ipad_3.png

Alien resurrection's band of Gauls does indeed disrupt the thematic and aesthetic unity of the series oh wait no, I read that wrong, turns out there's no such fkn thing.