The Biden v. Ryan Debate Thread

Neither was Ryan, apparently.

come on who can even remember 1988

*raises hand*

don't think anyone will ever outzing the bentsen zing. the best of the best.

ok so it's not just me.

http://i.imgur.com/iv9Ua.png

smells like bisque

republicans acting butthurt, dems like they've had a colonic, malarkey, jack kennedy, debate definitely a biden win

biden creamed him. he laughed in his face. he basically treated him like a lying joke. and he his a lying joke, so the whole approach worked for me.

Exactly. Nothing like what happened tonight has ever happened in one of these debates before.

fuck Jack Kennedy (if Chris Matthews isnt down in the grave right now)

i think obama should take joe's cue and go over mitt's head in the next debate. just take on the whole spiritually and intellectually bankrupt republican party. bring up dubya A LOT. remind people how shitty these people are. don't take mitt seriously. portray him as just one in a long line of con men.

And if the country is going to endure some debate about the laughing and smiling, maybe people will realize - exactly how ARE you supposed to react to a bunch of crap like this from someone who wants major political power. Is sarcasm a SIN?

Nothing like what happened tonight has ever happened in one of these debates before.

If you mean Biden trounced him--true or not--then it hasn't happened since last week.

No, I mean that no one has ever looked as bad as Ryan did tonight. Not Palin, not Quayle, no one.

What?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G9AePwl1AE

just to begin.

Honestly, I just don't see that. Not taking anything away from Biden, but I can't imagine Ryan doing any better than he did. The only time he seemed to get rattled (as he always does) was when they were trying to pin him down on these phantom loopholes. Palin was much worse...I mean, there's no way to even evaluate her.

Chait immediately gives up his wrong prediction:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/joe-biden-dispenses-with-the-niceties.html

seemed to set the bar for who should pay higher taxes at $1 million a year, not the $250,000 line Obama has labored to align his party behind.

wait how did I get the memo that obama's raised the bar from 250k to 1m a while back and chait's just getting it now

I like how he kept pointing out that 97% of small businesses make LESS than 250k a year. GOP's only hope is to keep the debate on "Was he rude?" cos there was a lot of substance to Joe's debate and it's best for them that it gets ignored in favor of bidenlaughs.gif

Palin was much worse...I mean, there's no way to even evaluate her.

― clemenza, Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:25 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to mention admiral stockdale

Watching this right now because I was busy earlier, Biden is handing Ryan's ass to him.

lol david brooks

Ryan hails from a different era, not the era of the 1950s diner, but the era of the workout gym. By Ryan’s time, the national media culture was pervasive. The tone was cool, not hot. The meritocracy had kicked in and ambitious young people had learned to adopt a low friction manner. Ryan emerges from this culture in the same way Barack Obama does.

This is a generation armed with self-awareness. In this generation, you roll your eyes at anyone who is quite so flamboyantly demonstrative as the vice president.

the meritocracy had kicked in

I didn't say his performance was worse. He looked worse. He looked worse because he took a bigger fall.

And he had more invested in it.

Or more people were invested in him.

the meritocracy had kicked in

― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, October 12, 2012 12:45 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yeah uh brb just gonna check up on some stats here

Hair-reverse Ryan just needs a 1000-foot stare.

http://heat.iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/Images/sizemore2.jpg

(Tom Sizemore pic from Heat not accepted.)

CNN poll of debate watchers has this close wtf

wonder if they polled anyone besides aged white southerners this time

- the group got some chuckles out of the fact that Biden and Van Hollen showed up on Monday wearing the same exact outfit – navy blue blazer/gold buttons, light blue shirt, no tie.

misread that as Van Halen first time round

"SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #2: The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 31% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than an average CNN poll of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public."

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-121012-debate-3a.grid-6x2.jpg

Can't say that I remember that moment--was there some kind of a staredown that I missed?

I keep seeing the same two polls over and over, the CNN (basically tied) and the CBS (Biden clear winner), plus a CNBC that seems quite bogus. In any event, Biden said all the things that Obama should have said last week--literally; it was like he had a checklist, and he got every last one of them in--and I think there's great satisfaction among Democrats. He set up Obama well, now it's up to Obama.

Speaking of "Looper," that picture totally makes it seem as if Biden could be future Ryan. No less nutty than J G-L/Bruce WIllis. What you see in the background is the space-time continuum dissolving the human race.

I'd never thought about that--perfect. Calling Z S...

http://0.tqn.com/d/movies/1/0/f/E/Z/looper-willis-levitt.jpg

Ha ha! Good call.

"We are leaving (Afghanistan) in 2014. Period."

As brazen as it gets from the Veep Creep

http://joe-biden.ytmnd.com/

classic

"mitt romney's a car guy."

A MAN'S MAN

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrchgmEHR1qz581wo1_400.gif

hypnotic

lol ryan trying to say romney misspoke when he he said let detroit go bankrupt IN A NEWSPAPER EDITORIAL

That was so absurd.

it was a typo

I'm somewhat amazed Glenn Greenwald deigned to write about the debate. I've never linked to him before, but I think this is pretty accurate in terms of how hard it is to know what the independent/undecided/whatever reaction to Biden last night will be:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/12/vice-president-debate-reaction

wow, kinda shocked he wrote something like that

a C-SPAN caller:

http://pdfob.tumblr.com/post/33408636830/a-caller-on-c-span-after-the-vp-debate-classic