C/D LENA DUNHAM (THE DEFINITIVE POLL)

I'd agree but I think the show is really good so I guess I don't.

i think the show is p good too

Lena Dunham could easily write the character of the one black friend from Oberlin.

Junot Diaz's startlingly wide range of protagonists aren't a variation of himself?

junot diaz doesn't write four characters in every book that are all shades of him, as lena said

not saying lena's protag can't be an extension, most of them are

i dont really love that diaz quote, i think male writers tend to overestimate how difficult it is to write from a female pov just as white people overestimate how hard it might be to write a black character

when it comes to dialogue, a writer mostly has to have a good ear, not empathize her way into another skin. When it comes to action, maybe a diff story, though ppl seem to give more leeway in dramatic wting and maybe esp TV.

why would white characters tell her characters that their problems are white people problems?????

I wasn't aware that white people didn't do this, I'm going to have to update ilx_race.xls pretty extensively now!

Also this is literally Ray's only job in the first episode!

like i said above that white people problems quote was in reference to her nonwhite gyno. & in any event the issue is not really WHO is saying the WHITE PEOPLE PROBLEMS thing its the whole concept of "white people problems" which is a stupid un-aware formulation of privilege anyway

don't really agree with that diaz quote either -- i can think of plenty of male writers who write great female characters (for some reason jaime hernandez was the first one who popped into my head) and it seems like a somewhat different issue than the challenge of writing about someone with a different ethnic, social, or cultural background than you. it's weird to me that he singles out murakami, whose female characters usually seem like bs fantasy projections, as someone who does it well.

Lena Dunham's male characters seem pretty real to me.

haha women don't get praised for writing 'convincing male characters', are you insane

or was that your point

are u bleedin mad mate

the issue is not really WHO is saying the WHITE PEOPLE PROBLEMS thing its the whole concept of "white people problems" which is a stupid un-aware formulation of privilege anyway

― max, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 19:42 (1 hour ago) Permalink

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imo if you're not confident yet in your ability to write characters that are not just facets of yourself you shouldn't be confident enough to write an HBO show

― zachylon (zachlyon), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

larry david is p unconfident

prit-tee, prit-tee unconfident

I guess David Chase did hang out w/ mob guys for research, then

Still haven't seen Dunham's show but the male quotes everyone latches onto are Horrible Things Men Have Said to Us About Fucking.

lol it is really not that hard to teach yourself how to characters from different perspectives and backgrounds! that's the point

how to write

haha

just read her story First Love, from Aug 13&20 issue of New Yorker - a book publicist i work with, who is in his early 60s, recommended it to me! he loved it! - great writing and funny/ridiculous too. so: more classic.

summertime sadness is a really nice song!

oh whoops, this isn't the Lana Del Rey thread.

ha

nice.

I thought there was some three-dimensional-chess sarcasm going on there.

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here's "first love". I love Lea but i thought this was only okay. nothing special.

http://pacificcollegiate.edlioschool.com/ourpages/auto/2012/8/14/48082720/DunhamFirstLove.pdf

Lena

I can only compare it to the feeling of opening your cupboard to grab a cookie, but instead of getting a cookie you get dick-slapped.

the worst

i'd usually prefer to get dick slapped than have a cookie.

every 3-year micro-epoch of pop culture gets the diablo cody it deserves

loved this piece a lot

aka fuck all yall

Two times!

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Look at all those racists

"That woman is a grownup, and you are a child."

We should do this poll every five years until she is a grande dame of screen and belles lettres.

And this is part of what they're paying her all that money for, folks.

http://thisrecording.com/today/2011/3/19/in-which-we-regularly-play-ping-pong-with-the-princess-masak.html

And this is part of what they're paying her all that money for, folks

They're paying her for a book of new material. And I don't think a year and a half old blogpost is the best Lena Dunham writing sample out there. This is a little embarrassing. She's done much better stuff, like those pieces for the New Yorker.

Also, she's 26. Based on her show and the handful of more recent essays out there, her writing has matured/is maturing pretty quickly.

Also, she's 26. Based on her show and the handful of more recent essays out there, her writing has matured/is maturing pretty quickly.

― America's Mobile, Monday, October 15, 2012 11:57 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, fuck this shit. "Hey she's pretty good for her age $1.5 million" does not compute.

ilx is really a crepey douche about LD IMHO

^^^^

that new yorker piece is a couple years old. also not really very good imo. shes a much better director/screenwriter i think

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