No joke about the "fuck this" penis tattoo? I'm disappointed.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
did it literally say:
FUCK THISWanda Bunch!!!
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:59 (eleven years ago) link
minus the exclamation points, which I feel are essential to sketching out the level of emotion necessary to have a penis tattoo of such a thing
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
no it just said FUCK THIS on his penis(but he wasn't a molester! that's the best part)
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
tbf I doubt most molesters have weirdo paraphernalia and tattoos and accessories, that is more of an extremely-rare thing or something in movies
now, someone randomly having a dick tattoo, that is totally real life
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
no, that would be too easy. also, satanic ritual abuse was mostly a protestant issue iirc.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:08 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The author of and the subject of "Michelle Remembers" were both Catholic, actually.
Also, I clearly remember a lot of my parents' Catholic friends and relatives buying into the Satanic ritual abuse stuff.
― let's keep this board about feet, please. (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
Well, truly an issue that crossed protestant/catholic lines
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe this is what the Reagan era created to make a cross-denominational religious furor that could supplement the religious right to cement a voting block? /conspiracy
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:07 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was on grand jury duty for a whole year in 2003, and one of the most fucked-up cases cases we had to review was of a child molester who enticed small children by promising to show them "Tweety Bird", which was an actual tattoo of Tweety Bird on his dick.
― let's keep this board about feet, please. (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
Never watched Looney Tunes the same way after that.
― let's keep this board about feet, please. (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
;_;
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
So "Jordan, Minnesota" was actually about one of these ostensible SRA cases, right?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
tbf a lot of people have weird tweety bird tattoos, saw one behind a girl's ear once
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
there's weird and then there's 'sexual lure for children'
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, I guess I am not jaded enough or too jaded to think anyone would use such an obvious symbol that way
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
Loony Toons tattoos were very popular amongst frat boys and rednecks in the early to mid 90s.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
Funny you should mention that -- Satan's Silence makes a big deal out of the class differences in one of the cases, I forget which atm. All of the accused parents were working class and the judge even went through one woman's diary and mocked her sexual habits, which she documented for some bizarre reason and were apparently perfectly normal. At least normal compared to the poop-eating and baby sacrificing she was accused of.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
Whoa. That is serious judicial misconduct IMO.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
i'm reading "helter skelter" now. it's way less salacious than i expected; since it's "by" the DA who tried the case against manson and the family, a lot of it is about preparing the case and the trial process, but it's really interesting.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 October 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
Helter Skelter is a book where it matters a lot whether you're reading the early editions or the post-lawsuit editions iirc?
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
I've never read it. How do we know whether the version we're reading is pre or post?
Satan's Silence is not quite at Sybil levels of cultural clusterfuck, but it's definitely up there in the top five books that have made me lol at the gym. Have yet to really dig into Michelle Remembers with any serious intent, gotta wait til the election is over before my brain has any more space to offer to ott bananas stuff like that.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
So far the theme I find most interesting is the purported class war/paranoia that seemed to be among the many things rumbling underneath the SRA lawsuits.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I am still basking in the ontological afterglow of Sybil Exposed, gonna wait to start Satan's Silence til I've read some genre hijinks. But I already have Satan's on my Nook. Debbie Nathan roxxorz.
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
xpost
I sat next to a girl on the bus who was reading Sybil Exposed and she said she didn't much like it. was I right in ignoring her for the rest of the trip?
― 乒乓, Monday, 22 October 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
also since you posted abt 'naugus hole' that phrase has been popping into my head unwantedly quite often!
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
xpost I would have started a convo in that situ. I wonder what she disliked.
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
I think this was definitely the case with those dudes in Arkansas, the "West Memphis 3."
― carl agatha, Monday, 22 October 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
for real wtf @ 'naugus hole'
i've been scared to google it
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't read the book myself! but iirc she didn't like all the typos.
― 乒乓, Monday, 22 October 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
also ping pong i might have asked her too and if she had a shitty answer (that is to say that her answer is boring), ignore.
xp - typo pedant: ignore
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
though it's true that in satan's silence on my kindle i am often finding myself reading about child pomography.
that does not stop me from enjoying it since it is a typographical error!
maybe naugus hole is a typo?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
ok so a bit of googling later-- it is not Helter Skelter that had material redacted after a lawsuit, but Ed Sanders' manson book, The Family.
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
I remember being a bit turned off by Helter Skelter because of the way Bugliosi saw himself as this Elliot Ness type crimebusting culture-war hero. Which isn't to say I didn't read it like 5 times in high school - it was my go-to when all the good books were checked out. But I haven't read Helter Skelter for a LONG time. Maybe I should revisit.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
xpost hmmm an OCR error perhaps...?
None of the usual OCR errors make it make sense though. Riaugus Hole?
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah sounds like Bugliosi attributed hundreds of deaths to manson & co which sounds a bit credulous.
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
nah he doesn't go that far (I read it a few months ago)
Bugliosi (like Sanders) had to remove some libelous stuff about the Process Church from later editions iirc
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I remember thinking at the time that the Bugliosi version just seemed very skewed and I wasn't getting the right kind of picture of what happened/how it happened so my logic was, 'maybe I'll get the real story from Manson's bio' (that In His Own words thing where he was interviewed in prison) - lol could I have been more wrong? O_o
there's a middle path but I don't remember ever finding a good even-handed account of everything that went down. maybe the Stanley is the way to go? I haven't looked into the whole Manson arena for so long.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
Moderation in all things, including Mansonology
― midwestern wedding traditions (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
bugliosi definitely has OPINIONS but they mainly seem to be about the judge and other lawyers, i feel like he's pretty charitable towards everyone else (even manson) but i'm not done with the book yet
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
hmm okay now I want to reread
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I don't think he's a scaremongering anti-hippie/pro-establishment type in the book at all
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
he's pretty critical of LAPD too
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah he is absolutely brutal towards some of the detectives/police for losing evidence, not following up leads etc.
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone have an opinion on The Garbage People by John Gilmore? I bought this at a garage sale many years ago but haven't read it. Reading amazon I see it was re-released as Manson: the unholy trail of... and gets mostly negative reviews.
― nickn, Monday, 22 October 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
I still haven't read that one yet. I do like The Shadow Over Santa Susana by Adam Gorightly which is probably the first book I'd hand to someone if they weren't familiar with all the details about the case, The Family, the occult symbology they lifted from, and the whole weird environment around LA in 1969. Worth checking out.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q1r6WUp0yrU/The5ttCOusI/AAAAAAAAAZI/mDemGu_-Oew/s1600/005.JPG
The late '80s were the golden age of Satanic panic, and it would not be an exaggeration to say that the woman known as Lauren Stratford launched that panic to a whole new level.
― dell (del), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
I guess above link is part of a series on related stuffs: http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.ca/2012/06/prodigal-witch.html
― dell (del), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 05:39 (eleven years ago) link
Susan Atkins' husband (a friend of mine) just self-published her memoirs, which are available on Amazon. I have only read brief excerpts, but I believe her version of stuff more than others'.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 06:24 (eleven years ago) link
Update from Satan's Silence:
Just read an entire chapter about the unusual nature of hymens, a short but detailed historical look at the implications of anal winking, and stories of children whose parents agreed to let their genitals be photographed for Medicine and what those photos were used for.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 13:03 (eleven years ago) link