libertarians vs republicans

they are libertarian in that they prob don't care about jesus

Koch also said he now considers himself a Republican first and foremost – rather than a Libertarian or a non-partisan supporter of free enterprise – despite a background in Libertarian politics and some views that are out of step with the GOP orthodoxy.

“The Libertarian Party is a great concept. I love the ideals, but it got too far off the deep end, and so I dropped out,” Koch said. “I think the Republican Party has a great chance of being successful and that’s why I support it,” he said, adding “but I believe in the libertarian principles.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80483.html

There's no Green Party or left-leaning Koch Bros(aside from a few exceptions) b/c we progressive types tend to see their views as obvious and natural and not needing to be actively promoted or reinforced. Also that only accurate information and facts need to be presented to be people, and every GOP vote is out of duping or being lied to

Or the idea that just being correct will automatically and immediately convince and persuade others, that kinda thing.

remember when the libertarians tried to impeach clinton?

koch dudes stand to keep/make tons of ca$h promoting their BS. progressives get ... a clean planet shared by everyone! "pick up after yourselves" v. "i want more billions of dollars". doesn't hurt to have the personality of an evil billionaire, either.

AI is probably the American Independent Party.

is there a green party version of the koch bros?

Not that I'm aware of, but there's George Soros, who probably isn't too antipathetic to the Greens.

Yeah, Soros is probably the closest. Like the libertarian billionaires, he also has a slightly wacky ideology with a vanity NGO to back it up.

progressives are like characters from a family sitcom. "hey gang, let's pitch in and get the community center running again!" it's some higher mind shit that exists almost in fantasy land. republicans/libertarians seem more in tune with animal lust: power, money, control, domination, etc. way more corruptable, so people like koch will get more mileage out of their billions than someone like soros ever would.

'progressive' and 'liberal' both basically mean nothing beyond 'this person falls somewhere in the left-wing of american politics'

nonsense! it means i am in favor of progress, bring me more progress, i demand it

i mean its kinda like saying im not a regular at this bar i just come here all the time once every four years.

yeah 'progressive' as a term is pretty nebulous in american politics - you have genuine the nation type progressives and you have pretty much standard liberals like obama and clinton that prefer to be called progressives cuz gingrich, atwater, et al did such an effective job rebranding 'liberal'.

i mean its kinda like saying im not a regular at this bar i just come to this bar thats only open once every four years all the time once every four years.

don't forget he tiny slice of the electorate that's really serious about TR/lafollette politics.

*polishes waistcoat buttons*

except bar is actually open every two years and progressives end up like brat pack at end of st elmo's fire wondering what happened to this place while eric cantor is inside doing body shots

Bar's open all the time - the Koch Brothers don't wake from their slumber on Nov 6th of ever year that's divisible by 4, for example.

sry no maths in the bar gonna have to ask u to leave

"maths"

libertarianism liberalism is kind of like being a liberal without having to give a shit about anyone poorer than you

left-wing people talking shit about 'liberalism' is the politics equivalent of people on ilm talking about 'white people'

"maths"

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wot is there a problem m8

when you watch Judge Napolitano types they kind of revel in being atomized individuals. They have even less interest in being a coherent band fighting for principles than Democrats do. Why should you fight for principles when you don't believe in a government willing to use its own moral authority or police power to enforce them?

since when is alfred 'left-wing' people?

since when have you thought I was anything else?

i have never heard alfred offer a heterodox opinion, tho i have on occasion heard him offer that he holds them

ILX: land of the homodoxy.

okay lol

lol

'heterodox' is one of those words that sounds more fun than it actually is

like titmouse

or anal retentive. i used to think liberals and progressives were much more likely to be self-critical, skeptical of their side, heterodox and less likely to be 'fuck the other team!' sheeple than conservatives. then came facebook.

i know we've done alfred's TRU political ideology b4 but honestly i can't remember the conclusion of that debacle and my day2day impression is that it's MOR moderate that digs officials w/ charisma. obv left enough to hang on ilx (i always wish we could rustle up a few more legit conservatives for maximum clusterfuck enjoyment), but not what i'd consider ##srs## left-wingism.

on the other hand "satrap" is fun the whole lib family can enjoy

it's MOR moderate that digs officials w/ charisma

lol you are confusing me with Andrew Sullivan.

yeah, tbh i kinda think of you as ilx's personal andrew sullivan

aw

that is the sweetest, most endearing insult I've ever read

I don't mind being submitted for analysis but I'm about as immune to charisma in politicians as ILM is to Libertines records. I mean, I never voted for Obama, and I've never fucked a bear, with or without an online ad.

are we playing two truths and a lie

hahahaha

and you would be the lie?

xpost

where's don weiner? He tried to pass for a conservative

is whiney ilx dick morris?

does that make deej Breitbart?

weiner was actual libertarian! i liked him though i think i pissed him off once when i compared libertarians to scientologists.

dom as tucker carlson, supposedly still alive out there on the web but really who knows. gabbneb as mickey kaus too obv but true.

i used to think liberals and progressives were much more likely to be self-critical, skeptical of their side, heterodox and less likely to be 'fuck the other team!' sheeple than conservatives. then came facebook.

― balls

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