Let's talk about Vice Magazine

well, all I can say is if you're looking for moral instruction and rectitude in a "hipster bible" then I think you're already lost. It's a magazine that tells you what brand of sneakers are cool to wear. Only Momus takes it seriously.

and the bullying thing ...If this is the author's sincere intention, then my objection to this one ought to be obvious...come on! lighten UP on the faux outrage

I'm not looking for moral instruction or rectitude ANYWHERE! I just don't like seeing a major magazine throwing around the word "faggot."

Whereas I find a lot of cheap-playground-diss music writing ignorant and ill-informed and I think it can do more harm than good considering we're living in a culture that discourages intellectualism and serious thought, and encourages hateful little soundbites.

geeta: is anyone saying they dislike vice becauze they're (ilxers) against smash-yr-idols articles? or is it because what they wrote about the fall is as close as you can get to the bad standup parody of standing around and saying, "dude, like, what is up with *that*?" (almost literally! read it again)?

"Nerd culture is in ascendency and it's pretty cool."
"The Powerpuff Girls movie is hilarious!"
"Bullies are desperately pathetic and stupid no matter how they cast themselves."
"There is no point to this article beyond venting for comedic effect." (This is the reading I came away with, for what it's worth.)

I agree on that count. :-)

(thx jess)

Apples vs. Oranges: FITE!

I can criticize this editorial choice, though, can't I?

I don't think Vice is always funny, and as I did say upthread, I don't think they try hard enough. I think quite a few of their jokes do fall flat; if I was their editor I would probably recommend to them to lay off the coke and head for the beer.

I don't read it regularly or anything, BTW.

PS I've always found The Onion to be total shit.

The only tone I detect running through all of them is this phony transgression thing, where this big value is placed upon anything that stirs people up or gets them defensive or assaults their sensibilities -- apparently for the sole purpose of the text sort of lording it over you afterward and trying to make you feel like an uptight pussy for disapproving. I really don't like that whole thing, in that the underlying message is "You care about something? That's so fucking lame."

Weird thing is that I've always sensed that they do care, though in a specifically delineated way. Fashion? Definitely. Music? More than I think is being given credit for (the music review section at the back often has some sharp, scabrous and celebratory entries). Perhaps they're like the Onion in trying to have their cake and eat it too, except that their own version of the AV Club isn't specifically set apart from the main text.

The Onion has been really lacking these days, sadly.

There was an article about Colombian art students that was sort of interesting, but then they had to go and fuck it up and spell the nationality "Columbian" in the title. Talk about not caring.

Dated, lame and deeply pretentious. (Putting it that way makes me see why Momus is so keen on it: you could say, without being mean, that rehabilating the pretentious in all its facets is one of his goals as a public figure.)

Well FUCK THAT SHIT. Getting 'tude for broadly "caring about things" from a magazine with fashion spreads is like being criticized by a doll collector for taking music "too seriously."

Vice is a 'boundary-pusher' and a trend-setter. Its New Brutalism is a pastiche, a well-captured adolescent voice designed to alienate one generation and consequently attract a new, younger one and pass it on to the advertisers. We should save the derision we're currently pouring on Vice for the much less intelligent imitators coming even now in its wake. For if Vice is Ziggy, watch out, here comes Alvin Stardust!

he is four years old = "faggot" is transgressive (and funny!)

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