https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hS1SMMxvGY
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 22 September 2012 07:53 (eleven years ago) link
man how big a scumbag do you have to be to be down w/this shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UMUlWbO1rhk
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 22 September 2012 09:26 (eleven years ago) link
That woman looks nothing like Obamas mom, who would have been around 12 at the time of that photoshoot.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 22 September 2012 09:40 (eleven years ago) link
i know there have been nitwit contingents of the left in our not so distant past. but has there ever been such a seemingly large number of lefties so paranoid and so unmoored from reality? or this just a result of timing? i.e., a polarizing president & political climate in general coupled with the hyper-interconnectedness of the 00s? like, if the internet had been a thing in the 80s would it have been riddled with anti-Reagan fever swamps and so many people willing to buy into crazy?
― it's smdh time in America (will), Saturday, 22 September 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
and of course i realize that Obama/ Reagan, 80s/2010s political climate isn't a perfect analogy but
― it's smdh time in America (will), Saturday, 22 September 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
Read John Dean's _Conservatives Without Conscience_ for an explanation. Chris Mooney's _The Republican Brain_ helps too.
Or Dr Bob Altemeyer's _The Authoritarians_ which is free online and covers the same material.
Epistemic closure from folks far more interested in reinforcing and reaffirming tribal slogans, norms, and ideology than accuracy.
Left-leaning folks tend to be far, far more concerned with accuracy and will scold like-minded members publicly for it.
Conservatives(or the rightwing authoritarian followers that comprise the group) will never do that, and in fact will attack and eject members who try, which is how you get guys like David Frum.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
Also, there's a load of people who are basically victims of modernity, you could say, and are shitscared and angry about it.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
Far left authoritarianism could be found back in the day, but it usually had its roots in Stalinism and Stalinism is now a spent force, just as much as the divine right of kings.
― Aimless, Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
i know there have been nitwit contingents of the left in our not so distant past. but has there ever been such a seemingly large number of lefties so paranoid and so unmoored from reality?
The Lefties in the 30s who defended the Soviet Union against all evidence were as unhinged as any Michelle Bachmann, even if they went to better schools, wrote great novels, etc.
Casual lefty truthers show the same symptoms as casual righty birthers.
The entire New Left descended into paranoia in the early 70s, though not without good reason.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 22 September 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
9/11 Truthers are much more diverse politically than Birthers
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 22 September 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
btw I knew a lefty dude who was talking about truther shit literally 2 hours after the towers fell
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 22 September 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
truther shit is like anti-vaxxer shit. you get a weird mix of people agin' it for various reasons, usually those that match up with their personal ideologies but that differ from each others
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Saturday, 22 September 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
alex jones pretends to believe in both birther AND truther shit, so surely some of his listeners are coming along for the ride?
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 22 September 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
i think it's fair to place anti-vax shit as a phenomenon of the left, at least culturally.
― goole, Saturday, 22 September 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
Of course, Trutherism infects a bunch of different political types.
This is why I specified "casual truthers" because I've met tons of lefties who say stuff like "Yeah, Bush probably let the Twin Towers go down so he could invade Iraq" which always feels to me like Holocaust denial.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 22 September 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
Teeny mentioned encountering anti-vaxxer shit from both sides.
Remember, lefties don't tend to have an emotional involvement in the anti-HPV vax as they might others. Bachmann was the one repping that shit on a national stage
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Saturday, 22 September 2012 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
A blogger at Balloon Juice notices a bit in an Ezra Klein WaPo piece on calorie labeling at McDonald's that sums up modern Republicanism:
I did find one customer who had noticed the calorie labels: Dick Nigon of Sterling, Va. He and his wife, Lea, had stopped by McDonald’s after seeing an exhibit at the Renwick Gallery. Dick had ordered for the couple, noticed the calorie labels and liked them.“I like that you have the information before you order,” he told me, when I asked about the labels. “It’s better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare.”I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.“Well that changes things a bit,” he responded. “I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I’m not quite sure how I feel about it.”
“I like that you have the information before you order,” he told me, when I asked about the labels. “It’s better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare.”
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.
“Well that changes things a bit,” he responded. “I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I’m not quite sure how I feel about it.”
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
That Wonkbook post is by Sarah Kliff, not Klein. (There's a consistency in style among the five Wonkbook posters, achieved in the editing process maybe, that makes it one of my favorite daily checks. I usually read the posts then have to go back to see who wrote them.)
― The Jesus and Mary Lizard (WmC), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
at least culturally.
Really? It's crazy and paranoid but that surely exists on both sides of the American political spectrum.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
There seems to be no difference between the parties on this issue, but I would have characterized it as more of a left-wing problem before. "What environmental harm are these big corporations wreaking inside of my child's body?" etc.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/04/27/more-polling-data-on-the-politics-of-vaccine-resistance/
― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, but it's related to the religious ppl who eschew modern medecine and who fear an overreaching govmt telling them what to put in their children's bodies.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
Exactly, you have both the government and big business telling you what to do.
― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
Also, you can at least change some minds on one side the more science you bring to into it.
Holding an incorrect belief is one thing, but not being able to do error-correction quite another.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
^^agreed.
thanks for those suggestions, Kingfish. I've been meaning to delve into the Republican Brain for a while
― it's smdh time in America (will), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
the right wing anti-vac thing is about sluttiness
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
I think this is unfair. I know a fair amount of Republicans, selfish libertarian types who are not anti-science and if they're too sceptical about climate change, they're mostly not about medecine and pharmaceuticals. The 'modern medicine is insufficiently holistic, blah, blah, blah' types tend to otherwise be lefties, though.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
It's not nec being anti-science; it's being against science when it starting running against your core beliefs or whatever is declared by the Authorities. Because, say, petroleum exploration and distillation processing are a Good Thing, so the science backing that up is accepted without question.
In other words, the Vatican had no problem with Galileo mucking about with optics until he pointed his scope at the Moon.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
But all people believe Weird Things for one reason or another. Our brains evolved from off-the-shelf parts, if you will. Conspiracy theory and superstition is natural; rational thought takes concerted effort and ain't.
The important thing is to be able to do mid-course corrections.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
Lest you sail off the edge of the world
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
Right, or crash into the moon.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
On a somewhat related note: http://www.desmogblog.com/are-conservatives-inherently-more-biased-liberals-scientific-debate-rages
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rw1ioJ99vk
― Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
youtube comment for Mick Jagger's "Let's Work" video
I want to send it to Ryan to add to his list and have him send it to Mitt. I put this tape in the other day while doing things and the lyrics came to life. I've heard the song a 1000 x and really heard the words after watching Ryan. It should be their theme song. If "O"hoMao used it, I'd hate it because he has no intention of any one working again and proves it with his failed policies. Roughly 24 million people out of work, almost 4 yrs as prez and he still blames Bush. "O" is a loser.
marto880 in reply to lakebay972 (Show the comment) 3 weeks ago
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
your right chuck do you want communist or freedom i'm voting for mittMrCarricrl 3 minutes ago
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
"If "O"hoMao used it, I'd hate it "
I could read that all day long.
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
Fun fact: comment was written while marto880 was AT WORK!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
If "O"hoMao used it
sub-Morbsian at best
― Trad., Arrrgh (stevie), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/just-how-racist-obama-phone-video/57353/
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
oh cool
D’Souza argues that part of the reason Ann Dunham sent Obama to live with her parents in Hawaii was so she could pursue affairs with Indonesian men. “Ann’s sexual adventuring may seem a little surprising in view of the fact that she was a large woman who kept getting larger,” he writes. On the next page, he continues, “Learning about Ann’s sexual adventures in Indonesia, I realized how wrong I had been to consider Barack Obama Sr. the playboy … Ann … was the real playgirl, and despite all her reservations about power, she was using her American background and economic and social power to purchase the romantic attention of third-world men.”
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
Dinesh D'Souza, former boyfriend of Ann Coulter. And Laura Ingraham.
― Clay, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
Yep, he's an idiot
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 29 September 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
i didn't think the phrase 'argues that' could be demeaned any further, but there you go
― j., Saturday, 29 September 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
the continuing semantic convergence of the words "argue" and "insinuate" is one of the great tragedies of our time
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 29 September 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
i always think i couldn't possibly hate dinesh d'souza anymore; he always proves me wrong. he's the worst ever.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 29 September 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
wow wow what a pig D'Souza is ugh
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
D'Souza now officially a parasite on the body of the crazy right.
― Aimless, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
i meant "any more," btw, as in, any more than i already do. there will never be a time when i have stopped hating dinesh d'souza.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 29 September 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
until they go after Obama's daughters, that is the worst thing I've ever read
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 29 September 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
When he says about her size I just want to hit him and keep hitting him as if he is personally responsible for every injustice in the world. What an execrable thing.
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Saturday, 29 September 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link