Symmetry required it: 2012 american general election thread #2

Reagan remarks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wiZowRJeto

apparently the steele thing was retracted? weird.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/who-played-obama-in-mccains-debate-prep/

Apparently Portman played Joe Lieberman for Cheney! He's the GOP's own Rich Little I guess.

its weird but the gop seems to really have lost it for reagan recently like they went from jumping all over each other to see who could genuflect before him the hardest in the primary debates to barely talking abt him at the convention, it may have dawned on them that there are plenty voters who werent even born when he was president and it was just too long ago for people to really give a shit at this point

now I'm sad Hillary didn't get the nomination

maybe romney shitting on Reagan's EITC was just him being ahead of the curve

Also that of the two candidates, they don't have the one closest to him.

its weird but the gop seems to really have lost it for reagan recently like they went from jumping all over each other to see who could genuflect before him the hardest in the primary debates to barely talking abt him at the convention, it may have dawned on them that there are plenty voters who werent even born when he was president and it was just too long ago for people to really give a shit at this point

Let's see how long it takes for them to drop their Carter steez

A similar argument happened in 2008, remember? Obama's all "Why do I give a fuck about the sixties and Vietnam?"

McCain went full-on "Losing My Edge" at the debates with all the historical refs

Ha ha

I WAS THERE

http://blog.oregonlive.com/idahosportugal/2008/10/large_mccain%20tongue.jpg

haha apparently McCain stuck his tongue out a lot in 2008

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/101608cindy_mccain_tongue.jpg

this from a page of shops but I think it's legit:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00997/mccain-tongue_997139i.jpg

I WAS THERE
WHEN BILL & THE BOINGERS WERE CALLED DEATHTONGUE.

http://tyrannyoftradition.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/deathtongue13.jpg

“Senator Portman is invaluable,” O’Donnell says. “When we worked with him during the McCain campaign in 2008, he was able to capture the style and the substance of Obama. He is able to make the candidate believe that it’s the opponent, and not just an exercise.”

Probably why McCain refused to look at Obama in the debates--he wanted to keep thinking he was actually debating Portman

OM NOM NOM

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5-BR03iAatFsCx2DivCGL7S-oMToUOUrNGCA20hSAsX5g7UGXt8ydRQU

always the debate prep never the vp

okay this angle is even funnier IMO

http://gremlindog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/john_mccain_tongue.jpg

what in the world

Nothing from Sullivan, just three letters:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/09/letters-from-the-47.html

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/101608cindy_mccain_tongue.jpg

Worst episode of Family Feud ever.

Haha MEANWHILE:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/nc_candidate_im_no_mitt_romney.php

i love how they always talk about the candidates in debate prep like animals used in films. "Our prep debater was really convincing! The candidate didn't get bored! We took her outside and that worked better!"

it's like that "actor trainer" sketch in Mr Show

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-and-that-47/

Haha MEANWHILE:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/nc_candidate_im_no_mitt_romney.php

the rats abandoning the ship

legislative nominees actively distancing themselves from their party's executive candidate seems like the most damning thing, since usually a presidential race brings your party to the polls in bigger numbers.

The latest NBC/Marist/Wall St. Journal poll has Obama ahead by 5 points in Florida and Virginia, 7 in Ohio, which seems like the usual decider of these swing states. Other polls vary a bit, but basically the same trend. Good reading here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/19/8-takeaways-from-the-nbc-wall-street-journal-poll/

i feel like if old lizard man had become president we would be at war with 18 different countries and everyone would be outside on the corner selling pencils out of tin cups.

"while you're voting for him, vote for me" is a so much easier move than "vote for me, even if you're not voting for him" that i can't imagine anyone would go with the latter until the bitter end

You guys John McCain had his tongue tortured for 10 years in a NVA prison camp and that's why it's like that smdh

I think I already linked this yesterday but if not:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ann-romney-mitt-cares-about-poor

"It's unfortunate when something gets misinterpreted like this or it gets taken out of context because if you really do listen to everything he does say, he's talking about what we're facing in America today."

Yes of course.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/19/article-2205273-1514A538000005DC-416_634x701.jpg

Ann Romney:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyFfWLA9ihA

UTAH'S

LOVE

MITT

Gallup poll says its still nearly even!

President Obama’s small bounce in the polls following the Democratic National Convention has all but vanished in Tuesday’s Gallup daily tracking poll.

Obama takes 47 percent support among registered voters over Romney's 46, according to the poll.

Obama’s lead widened to 7 points in the days following the Charlotte, N.C., convention earlier this month, but Tuesday’s data show the race returning the level where it’s been throughout most of the contest.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/250115-gallup-obamas-convention-bounce-evaporates

be still my galluping heart

God, that's not surprising. Still a long ways out.

Yeah, but as xposted and this, squeezing out a gain in swing states:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/19/obama-makes-more-swing-state-gains/

State polls matter most, and it's increasingly obvious what's happening.

It'll all come down to a couple counties in Ohio, as usual (looks like)

its just one poll dudes, why when theres like a million poll aggregators and formulas on the internet would anyone possibly care

i feel like if old lizard man had become president we would be at war with 18 different countries

use your illusion

they all obama up by ~3 fwiw

all the latest polls I've seen point toward Obama gains in swing states.

I have to stop myself from getting too excited that Romney's campaign seems to be going off the rails, considering that even in the best-case scenario, we're likely to wake up on Nov. 7 with a 51-49 popular vote "landslide" for Obama and Republicans still controlling the House, and we'll be basically back where we are now, facing big fiscal problems and divided government.

it also looks likely that the Dems will keep the Senate.

nate silvers model has obama not being helped by the electoral math w/romney having a better chance of losing the popular vote while winning the election

we'll be basically back where we are now, facing big fiscal problems and divided government.

― o. nate, Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya you cant expect obama to really accomplish much legislatively in his 2nd term, but it will prevent hcr etc from being repealed and pave the way for a democratic win in 16 via inevitable economic recovery, not to mention prevent mitt from giving rich people all of the money

from Silver's blog:
Still, it might be acknowledged that this is among the more confusing periods that we’ve seen in the polls. How do you reconcile a poll showing Mr. Obama with an eight-point lead in Virginia with another putting him at a two-point deficit in Colorado?
Why, if his standing eroded in the Gallup and Rasmussen Reports tracking polls, did he also receive a rather strong poll from NBC News and The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, which put him five points ahead nationally among likely voters?
These polls almost seem to inhabit different universes. As I’ll describe in a separate article, the methodological choices made by pollsters may have something to do with it; Mr. Obama’s bounce has been much more noticeable in polls that use live interviewers and that call cellphones.
But it does not do any good to pretend there is a consensus in the polls when there isn’t. Sometimes there is simply no alternative to remaining patient until one emerges. The downward trend for Mr. Obama in the Gallup and Rasmussen trackers is closest thing we have to a theme in the polls for the time being.
The Impact of ’47 Percent’
There has also been the introduction of a new event in the news cycle: the release of a video, taped secretly, showing impolitic comments that Mr. Romney made at a fund-raiser.
I begin from the premise that there is reason to be skeptical that Mr. Romney’s “47 percent” comments will have all that much effect on the polls. The news media often jumps the gun in declaring events to be “game changers” when they later prove to little effect on the numbers. Mr. Romney’s comments about Libya last week, for instance, were supposed to be very damaging to him, but if anything the numbers have moved toward him since then.
I do not mean to suggest that campaign controversies like this one never matter to voters. But I do think that reporters in Washington or New York, myself included, are not always the best judges of which are the exceptional cases. Furthermore, these judgments are likely to be influenced by the recent polls, meaning that analyses anticipating future reaction among voters may really be lagging indicators.
I have my own instincts about Mr. Romney’s remarks, which are roughly as follows: even if his outlook is a bit less negative than it seemed a week ago, he is nevertheless the underdog in the race, and not in a position where he can afford to alienate any voters who might allow him to climb to 50 percent of the vote. His coalition may already be drawn too narrowly, and this won’t help him with that.
But I’d place rather little value on my instincts, and rather more on the polls. We should know more about the state of the campaign a week from now than we do today.