another maniacal Armond White review, this time "Fahrenheit 9/11"

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I don't get the cult status of Event Horizon.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:45 (thirteen years ago)

It starts well.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:48 (thirteen years ago)

I just remember some friends in high school who loved it insisting I watch it with them and me being like "so...when does it get good?"

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:51 (thirteen years ago)

Were you also in high school?

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:54 (thirteen years ago)

I saw it in high school and thought it was a mess.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:55 (thirteen years ago)

yup. (xpost)

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:55 (thirteen years ago)

It might just be me, but I rarely agree with anything I thought in high school anymore.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:57 (thirteen years ago)

Yah, he actually trusts public opinion critical consensus being wrong more than he trusts his own taste. Not that I blame him.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:57 (thirteen years ago)

that would be an interesting thread - aesthetic/artistic choices from high school you still agree with xp

Mordy, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:58 (thirteen years ago)

Critical consensus is often drivel, but, like the modern GOP, White has built his career on aggrievement: somebody's always wrong, somebody always deserves a scalping.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 23:59 (thirteen years ago)

I don't agree with a lot of what I thought in high school (American Beauty, it seems, isn't that good after all), but I didn't like PWSA's Soldier at the time and I'm not really chomping at the bit to reassess that.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

Revisiting high school faves is always dangerous. I'm genuinely scared to take a fresh look at Chasing Amy.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:02 (thirteen years ago)

You should be.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:05 (thirteen years ago)

Don't do it, you'll be horrified.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:08 (thirteen years ago)

"When I die and go to hell, it's just gonna be [Chasing Amy] on a perpetual loop"

- a friend of mine, a few years back.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:10 (thirteen years ago)

It still kind of haunts me that I was at one point in my life a person who thought that was a good movie.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:15 (thirteen years ago)

I owned Live's Throwing Copper. We've all been there.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:15 (thirteen years ago)

sl4nt (2 diff critics) also recommends PWSA over PTA

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:16 (thirteen years ago)

I didn't, but hearing that album mentioned kinda gets at the heart of why I'm not the type to get all nostalgic over high school. (xpost)

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 00:17 (thirteen years ago)

Event Horizon is a really great idea and early on Sam Neill really carries it, but it goes off the rails pretty fast and PWSA's direction is not one of the best things about it.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)

The idea that serious non-Armond film critics/fans are repping for this man (whatever they think about PTA) is utterly depressing to me

1994 Shopping
1995 Mortal Kombat
1997 Event Horizon
1998 Soldier
2002 Resident Evil
2004 Alien vs. Predator
2008 Death Race
2010 Resident Evil: Afterlife
2011 The Three Musketeers
2012 Resident Evil: Retribution

Number None, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 08:08 (thirteen years ago)

lol Glenn Kenny:

anyone who isn't twelve will be no more than momentarily amused by the fact that two directors with similar names and polarized generic characteristics premiered films on the same day, but White's gotta make a thesis out of it

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 14:37 (thirteen years ago)

nice

da croupier, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 14:41 (thirteen years ago)

does he mean "genetic characteristics"? "genreic characteristics"?

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 14:44 (thirteen years ago)

love this guy: "Upcoming work by Kanye West, Iris DeMent, Paul W.S. Anderson and the Taviani brothers, whose Caesar Must Die premieres at the New York Film Festival, could show work that goes beyond seasonal hype."

s.clover, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:28 (thirteen years ago)

there's nothing wrong with finding worth in trashy films but AW never really explains what kind of cinematic merit he finds in things like 'resident evil.' he sort of starts to do that in the first paragraph here but then he just goes back to his old bean-counting routine: this movie is 'unforgettable,' this other movie is 'unbearable.' no reasons, no arguments, just a bunch of contentions. it's like arguing with a 5-year-old.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:59 (thirteen years ago)

A half dozen mentions of "lazy critics" thrown in whenever it wasn't clear who he's trying to flip off.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:02 (thirteen years ago)

wanna make clear that my love of event horizon doesn't in any way hinge on a sense of overall quality or even respect for its director. it's kind of a mess and often quite silly, but despite that, i enjoy it enormously. spooky atmosphere, good gore, quick pacing and some wonderful production design. i don't ask for much...

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)

there's nothing wrong with finding worth in trashy films but AW never really explains what kind of cinematic merit he finds in things like 'resident evil.' he sort of starts to do that in the first paragraph here but then he just goes back to his old bean-counting routine: this movie is 'unforgettable,' this other movie is 'unbearable.' no reasons, no arguments, just a bunch of contentions. it's like arguing with a 5-year-old.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:59 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. i would really love armond if he actually explained his interpretations. but that's par the course for contrarians: say something loud and surprising and just leave it there for the reader to get exasperated at.

also i'd like him if he actually paid attention to the majority of the movies he covers. his pans are like 70% misinformation on the most basic level.

NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 21:09 (thirteen years ago)

When I die and go to hell, it's just gonna be [Rachel getting married] on a perpetual loop

jed_, Thursday, 20 September 2012 00:38 (thirteen years ago)

with Peggy Noonan singing "Unknown Legend."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 September 2012 00:46 (thirteen years ago)

https://twitter.com/thighmaster/statuses/248576493662371840
https://twitter.com/3xchair/statuses/248612135901462528

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:01 (thirteen years ago)

interesting! when i very briefly ran a movie critic commentary blogspot i eventually concluded that "falling asleep" must be part of his method.

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 28 September 2012 04:35 (thirteen years ago)

it was very funny

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 28 September 2012 04:39 (thirteen years ago)

adult, professional, courteous

da croupier, Friday, 28 September 2012 04:50 (thirteen years ago)

http://cityarts.info/2012/10/08/cityarts-exclusive-arts-analysis-beasts-of-the-northern-wild/

“I’m trying to make sense of the acclaim for Precious and the concurrent advent of Barack Obama.”

Weird, since I'm trying to make sense of how much self-loathing there might be in his final paragraph on The Paperboy: "A final key to the unarticulated bitterness of Daniels’ hysteria: The trio of black women singing in the dive bar where McConaughey picks up trade. Note how their angry-faced gestures betray modern drag queen hostility rather than Civil Rights era generosity and musical pleasure. That anachronistic sexual/racial rage exposes Daniels. The Paperboy ultimately is a drag-act response to the legacy of Southern bigotry Americans have forgotten and Northern ignorance they now embrace."

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:42 (thirteen years ago)

I've never seen a film by Lee Daniels, but everything I've read about him suggests that White is pretty otm with this one (although it's low-hanging fruit, and his writing is incomprehensible). As long as he talks about Daniels, that is, when he begins accusing the liberal (white) elite of loving him, I'm scratching my head. Wasn't it Oprah who produced Precious? Hasn't 30 Rock been mercilessly satirizing that film? And did Paperboy really cause a 'ruckus' at this years Cannes-festival? Everything I've read about it suggested that most critics were just shaking their heads and getting on with it...

Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:56 (thirteen years ago)

Shadowboxer is another Lee Daniels film I watched, and whoa was it weird.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:59 (thirteen years ago)

it's low-hanging fruit, and his writing is incomprehensible

Yeah, he bends over backwards to make it seem as though everyone loves The Paperboy or something, which, wtf.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 19:03 (thirteen years ago)

well even some critics who think The Paperboy is insane dreck say it's worth seeing for the facepalms (or maybe just McC's ass).

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

If McC indeed showers next to a Tom of Finland, I can probably stomach a small amount of Nic pee.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 19:09 (thirteen years ago)

@TeganMH
Tegan Higginbotham

Nicole Kidman has denied using fake urine in new film, Paperboy. But critics are skeptical, saying the pee looked unnatural & expressionless

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:09 (thirteen years ago)

That's how you know it's hers!

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 23:14 (thirteen years ago)

ebert reviewed the paperboy as if it were wild things, so i've been interested

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 23:25 (thirteen years ago)

FACT CHECK:

The mess of Southern-depravity cliches says as much about 53-year-old Daniels’ fuzzy recall of the Civil Rights era...

A few paragraphs later:

The way Daniels integrates an anachronistic playlist of 60s-70s r&b tunes into The Paperboy’s story (set in 1969, the year of Daniels’ birth)

Also, how are '60s songs anachronistic if the film is set in 1969?

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 23:38 (thirteen years ago)

These characters would still be listening to Spike Jones.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:22 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, he bends over backwards to make it seem as though everyone loves The Paperboy or something, which, wtf.

― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:03 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because if he didn't, he'd only have a sucky movie to trash, not the big bad critical establishment that's so overrun with hipsters and nihilists.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:59 (thirteen years ago)

armond white is just following in the great bosley crowther tradition of writing reviews of movies you've slept through.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 05:06 (thirteen years ago)

also the only reasonable responses to AW are to ignore him or to make fun of him (or like glenn kenny, say you'll do the first but keep doing the second). there is absolutely no point in trying to parse any of his reviews. he has nothing of interest to say, and his writing is only symptomatic of his own complexes.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 05:07 (thirteen years ago)

"Won’t Back Down is a condescending version of what the excellent action movie Never Back Down..."

In case you think I made that up: http://cityarts.info/2012/09/28/the-miseducation-of-viola-davis/

da croupier, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 05:13 (thirteen years ago)


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