New James Bond = Daniel Craig.

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ANNUNCIATE lad

Ah right, the Feast of the Enunciation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Clay Aiken can remake "All Time High" or something.

The sad thing is that this would still be a thousand times better than the Chris Cornell abomination.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Pulp's cover of All Time High: ALSO TERRIBLE. What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition? Sure they real actual dead bodies signed on to being displayed for the good of science. Not to be in a Bond as a pritty backdrop.

whatever, Bodyworlds is a freakin' travelling circus that's been making big $$$ everywhere on ticket sales. it's all just curious people coming to check it out (not that i have a problem w/that but jeez let's not get all huffy abt it)

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would also like to say I had no trouble understanding Daniel Craig perfectly well.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

The sad thing is that this would still be a thousand times better than the Chris Cornell abomination.

Billy Dods on the ILM Bond theme thread just said that song and the opening credits sequence work perfectly together -- which I'd have to agree with since I didn't think much of the credit sequence either!

I think I missed one Craig line but otherwise perfectly understandable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

I always loved the weirdness in how "I Spy" ended up on the soundtrack to the first Mission: Impossible movie. Which is doubly ridiculous because now that I think about it that song's a PERFECT one to be sung from the point of view of Craig's Bond! (Seducing wives, loathing the upper class...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

What is with a band that makes nothing but Bond tunes striking out like A-Rod in the post-season with their actual Bond songs???

They're like the Tigers in the World Series in this respect.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

NED, YOU ONLY JUST THOUGHT OF THAT??????????????????????

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU ANYMORE.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Uh? (I said *Craig's* Bond, not anyone else's. It certainly wouldn't the fuck be Pierce Goddamn Brosnan's!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Dods on the ILM Bond theme thread just said that song and the opening credits sequence work perfectly together -- which I'd have to agree with since I didn't think much of the credit sequence either!

Haha, what I meant was it compliments the pre-titles sequence where Bond goes on his first kills. The title sequence itself I think is a pretty smart realignment of the franchise. The lack of willowy dancing girls neatly echoes the film itself, less playful and more business like.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't a Bond in my opinion, but I think you'd have to be completely retarded to think that Connery's Bond didn't echo that sentiment quite frequently. There was no need to explicitly state the fact in Casino Royale, it was just something that came through. It's not the character's fault that some douchebags thought Pierce Brosnan was a good idea (I'm just going to go ahead and start by saying "for example, his parents").

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Roffle. (You're right about Connery, true.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

dudes the opening credits looked like a bum Flash animation

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Tombot's right, I thought some of the visual elements of the title sequence were clever, but make no mistake, it's already dated.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

i sort of half-expected one of the fighting silhouettes to start rockin out with a iPod

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the silhouettes were kind of skewed/blocky at points in some sort of Saul Bass homage, but I might have been imagining it.

mh. (mike h.), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha nice one TCM: "Loosely based on the 1967 farce of the same name."

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

While I enjoyed the movie for the most part, there is one plot point I had some trouble swallowing. If Vesper was needed alive to reveal the account number to the bad guys, why did they leave her bound in the middle of the road while Bond was racing after them?

Binjominia (Brilhante), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Different set of bad guys. (Le Chiffre's versus Mr. White's)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

the point about the title sequence.. for the first time (as far as i know) it wasn't "tales of the unexpected" style ladies, but all blokes..

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

I heep forgetting that Daniel Craig played Francis Bacon's rough-trade muse/lover in Love Is the Devil -- good film.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to see this in an hour, will need to nip out to woolies shortly for some pick and mix.

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

for the first time (as far as i know) it wasn't "tales of the unexpected" style ladies, but all blokes

I was thinking that as well! The sole remarkable point about it, I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Have we talked about the cameos? There was Richard Branson going through airport security, and far more pleasant, Alessandra Ambrosio (probably the most beautiful woman in the world) in tennis apparel, checking out 007 even though he drives a Ford Mondeo (which actually looked cool, if a bit out of place). Any others I'm forgetting?

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oops -- on my answering machine just now, my mom, saying about how she and dad saw the film and loved it. (No surprise there.) But then she says:

"Tell me about this Chris Cornell guy. I've never heard of him!"

This will be an interesting conversation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

(Stolen from my own post on another board)

I had yet to find anything to complain about - at length anyway - after watching CR. I felt the Astons could've been utilised more and I did wonder how well Clive Owen would've done. Despite having never read any of the books, I can see Daniel as a very good approximation of Bond as Fleming intended him, much like Tim Dalton was. While DC doesn't have TD's looks, he has more of an edge and doesn't have the slight look of discomfort I sometimes got from watching TD in his two flicks.

However, Sean is still king. Granted, Daniel's playing a fairly different Bond altogether, not to mention for a different time, and it's really up to the next 2 films for DC to portray the Bond we actually know effectively, but he wasn't truly playing the same 007 as the others were and until he does, I wouldn't quite judge him on their criteria.

Havin' said that, I definitely enjoyed it and the strip-down/delayed introduction of Bond's characteristics really gave a lot of effect to conveying his job - a glorified hitman and point-and-click problem solver for MI6 - what makes him special is his gift of being ultra-adaptable to missions and in situations, which I personally think is as much a defining trait of his as the catchphrases. The real trick is not just overcoming Connery, but also From Russia With Love, which is still the pinnacle of 007-ness.

Also: EVA GREEN (never more beautiful than when applying her make-up in the bathroom - the minimal approach clearly works for her too!)

Badrock Example (Barima), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ally: "Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't a Bond in my opinion."

Dead right. I was never convinced by Brosnan, and his films were just washed-out, synthetic pastiches of the real thing.

My thoughts on Casino Royale:

Craig was excellent.... another film and he'll be the best Bond ever.

Bollock-torture scene was discreetly done and still incredibly daring.

Eva Green was very good but she wasn't quite "Diana Rigg enough" for me to buy into the Bond/Vesper love story.

Overall, I think the casual Bond film viewer won't like the lack of a true central villain, they could've cut about fifteen minutes from the running time but several scenes were just breathtaking.

Not quite the best but better than any Moore, Dalton or Brosnan film. Definite top five material. OHMSS still my all-time favourite Bond film.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

The real trick is not just overcoming Connery, but also From Russia With Love, which is still the pinnacle of 007-ness.

Yup. But if they're smart they can find a way to get there.

Turns out my mom knew who Soundgarden and Audioslave were, which honestly surprised me. Therefore explaining Chris Cornell was easy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think to say that Pierce Brosnan wasn't Bond is kind of odd. In many ways, he was born to play Bond and I think he would have done just fine in a better film (I still LOVE 'Goldeneye' too).

The only problem with the Aston Martin was the interior. The diamond shaped suede stitching and suede dash are a little too precious for Bond.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Born to play a Roger Moore-style Bond, yes. He *might* have been able to pull off a For Your Eyes Only equivalent, but it wouldn't have been Casino Royale as filmed.

Craig in a much tougher Goldeneye vs. Sean Bean, hmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I find this Brosnan revisionism to be distasteful. He was a great Bond (and not as consciously as campy as Moore) even if the films were ridiculous.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why everything has to be SO much tougher these days.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

haha i almost forgot to mention how amazing the shower scene was! this girl is truly shaken by what she has just seen and overcome with fear about - well EVERYTHING: almost dying, the reality of what her boyfriend is going through, her growing interest in bond and knowing the betrayal that lies (lays?) ahead; she is shattered.

and bond sits down with her, gives her a big shoulder to lean on. so touching. and then - starts sucking on her fingers??! he is totally emotionally INEPT. "chicks always dig it when i suck on their fingers... so uh that oughtta do the trick amirite?"

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Good stuff. The problem with the "Bond franchise" is that it's not really a Bond franchise at all, it's a "Sean Connery franchise". With Craig, though, the Connery comparisons become meaningless, because he's effectively playing a different character -- much more in the Hammett hard-boiled tradition than the rakish Bulldog Drummond/Hannay "super-spy" type.

I love Pierce, but he was rub as Bond. The main frustration is that he could've done better. He's much more assured (and Bond-ian) in Thomas Crown and the Tailor of Panama. But he's a bit of a milquetoast in the Bond movies.

Also, I'm really glad Clive Owen didn't get it. Horrible actor!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

clive owen is okay but like pierce brosnan he's too obvious a pick in some ways, plus i think a lot of people wanted him for the role because he wore a tux in 'croupier'. the great thing about sean connery is he doesn't fit the smarmy-slick bond mold as personified by moore and brosnan, which is why craig is an awesome pick.

i can't believe people were talking about hugh jackman as bond at one point.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Gear: there was weirder.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Chow Yun-Fat was the most interesting contender, but apparently he's too smooth and not ugly enough to play James Bond!

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

The finger sucking was about how she had blood on her hands and couldn't get it off, right?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I thought it was tender. Water wouldn't get the blood off, but saliva would.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also, licking wounds etc etc.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

There were serious rumours about Robbie Williams at one point too, were there not? Ornaldo Bloomps would have been fantastic in comparison (actually, no, they'd both have been horrendous).

I *liked* Pierce Brosnan. I've never read the books, but he looked good and camped it up in some of the campest Bond films, so yeah, horses for courses, he was the best actor for those films. Imagine someone playing them for serious, ugh.

However, Daniel Craig was marvellous. As was the film. And you lot whinging about Chris Cornell just because he's Chris Cornell, get over yourselves. As a "Bond theme" (and let's face it, there *is* a genre of that), it pissed all over, say, Die Another Day. You listened to that Cornell song alongside the credits which were great and stylish and retro enough for a revisitation of the start of Bond's career but without the wavey women, and the whole thing just screamed "HELLO!! THIS IS A BOND MOVIE"!!! Is that not all one wants from a Bond theme?

(note, I never need to hear it again in my life out of context, but it worked perfectly fine where it was for what it was)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

xp - that scene was markedly better than Eva Green's other cinematic 'blood on the hands' moment.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

uh guys she didn't have blood on her hands, she was going sorta loco right then.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

it pissed all over, say, Die Another Day

I couldn't disagree more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Cornell was horrendous...truly awful.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it *in context*. That doesn't mean I like it.

Die Another Day I liked out of context. In context, urgh.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile, let's hear an amusing review from the guys who didn't like Judi Dench upthread, with their amusing mix of disdain for both the "vapid 90’s feminist-Amazon warrior"(i.e. Michelle Yeoh) AND the low culture of the masses and their teen-aged, misogynistic, multiplex-going ways.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Just watched this, thought it was fabulous. Craig is a truly great Bond, he's rekindled my love for the franchise.

There was Richard Branson going through airport security,

er, wasn't it a cardboard cut out? something to do with virgin airlines

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)


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