The Michael Mann poll

ali still so underrtaed

Very odd to read this for the first time now - the poll results are up first, and I think "Oh well, it's ILX, they were always going to be on Heat's dick", but there's nearly no-one repping for it at the time!

the insider, I don't understand how could anyone say this movie is pedestrian. not a single bad performance, best story, actual things at stake from the real world as opposed to the (...) all style comic book material in heat collateral and miami vice. also, whoever said the slo-mo was bad is crazy, the final scene is one of the most outstanding things I have ever seen, a beautiful philip-lorca dicorcia picture set to motion. it doesn't get much better than this!

This poll didn't get all that many votes imo.

Very odd to read this for the first time now - the poll results are up first, and I think "Oh well, it's ILX, they were always going to be on Heat's dick", but there's nearly no-one repping for it at the time!

Think people just got tired of talking about it even if that's the one they voted for.

yeah, i think everyone feels like Heat's a given

ali still so underrtaed

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:42 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the main problem with this film is it stars will smith as muhammad ali, besides that its p sick

ali isn't very good.

i like when him and frazier ride around in a car together

there's some things to like about it... the opening set to live at harlem club vers of bring it on home to me, so killer. ali walking out into the stadium in zaire. cool mix of video and film. ted levine outta nowhere. but it has the same basic problem as public enemies... neither film has anything interesting to say about ali or dillinger as men

ya theres a maybe purposeful distance operating, tho tbf i dont really remember ali that well

Seem to recall the director's cut of Ali being much better. Also, was Mann's first experiment with shooting digital, for the jogging/training sequence.

Really shocked that nobody voted for Thief. That movie is so fucking pure. Even Jim Belushi couldn't wreck it. But I'm also surprised Collateral came in second.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

If Collateral had ended the instant Jamie Foxx flipped the cab over - just cab flip, crunching noise, credits roll on a black screen - that movie would have fucking ruled. But the actual ending was lame and trite.

ya i think everyone agrees that the end of collateral was dumb

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/10/22/last-of-the-mohicans-director-michael-mann-remembers-russell-means/

what the fuck, when did russell means die

I love Michael Mann interviews.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/12/michael-mann-david-frankham-talk-hbos-witness/

That sounds incredible.

otm

watched most of the first ep last night, it was p fascinating, had one v graphic intense raw scene, as you might expect

collateral has some boring dialogue scenes but the final 30 minutes or so are incredible

Well that's the inverse of pretty much every review at the time.

james caan

AVC: Thief was Michael Mann’s first film.
JC: Yeah, I found Michael Mann. Literally. I was doing Chapter Two, and this guy was sitting outside my trailer in a wooden chair, and he said, “Can I talk to you?” I said, “Yeah.” And he said, “I wanted to show you a script I’ve written.” And at the time, I was very fortunate that I was able to do whatever the hell I wanted to do, so I put it together right away. I got Jerry Bruckheimer to produce it… along with my brother, Ronnie, which was hysterical. And Michael, he’s a workaholic, you know. I still think that’s his best picture. He brought in the forensic stuff and everything. It was a real tough picture to work on, though, because he’d work 16, 17 hours a day. I liked it, though. It was a good movie.

that interview's hilarious

Alien Nation (1988)—“Det. Sgt. Matthew Sykes”

JC: Why the fuck… Why would you bring up that?

AVC: A lot of people actually like the film. I do, for one.

JC: Yeah, well, I don’t know.

IMDB page for Cyber is up: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2717822/

Computer hacking is usually portrayed so ridiculously in movies that it's difficult to not reflexively shrug. Still, a straight-up Michael Mann crime thriller in China sounds pretty great. Please do not suck. Also, please hire Boards Of Canada to do the soundtrack.

Don't know how good a BoC/Chris Cornell collab would sound tbh

Maybe it won't get scratch on the re-poll?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-production/release_boxshots/4191-560cd65f1ec2a91f6e3ffccb67d6d7eb/691_box_348x490_DF_original.jpg

lol who would vote for The Keep or Ali over thief

Because it can never be posted enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfetsPmDWAk

IMDB page for Cyber is up: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2717822/

Computer hacking is usually portrayed so ridiculously in movies that it's difficult to not reflexively shrug. Still, a straight-up Michael Mann crime thriller in China sounds pretty great. Please do not suck. Also, please hire Boards Of Canada to do the soundtrack.

― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:06 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

my main expectation of this is that mann shooting hong kong is going to look amazing

Hopefully better than this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95-bc1DZovg

Ooops, that's Japan. Sorry.

my main expectation of this is that mann shooting hong kong is going to look amazing

― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

otm

Set to open one year and one week from today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_(film)

That'll give it plenty of time to go over budget, run into some natural disasters, encounter unforeseen delays and then get mangled in the editing suite.

January release ;_;

Was thinking that seemed weird for a tentpole guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQTn0psH_bM

To Be Cont'd doing a thing this month on Thief. http://tobecontd.com/thief-series/2014/1/9/thief-under-the-cover-of-darkness#.UtHzjGRDuet

I haven't seen it in a number of years but I'm getting it on Tuesday so I'm not reading anything until I've rewatched it.

Oh, and The Keep is back up on Netflix Instant.

was it much-publicised that HEAT was a remake at the time? i don't recall. musta been a shock to anyone who didn't realise, if they'd seen the TV version.

I remember Heat coming out and wanting to see it, but I was also 12 so I don't really remember. I didn't find out about LA Takedown until years later. Still haven't seen it.

i dont know if it was a secret that it was a remake of LA Takedown, i just dont think anyone cared. but i cant see any mention of it in reviews from the period so im guessing it wasnt in the press kit at least

i watched LAT not long ago, it is pretty interesting b/c it really is just Heat but shorter and crappier. stuff like the coffeeshop scene really hammers home how badly you need great actors to make mann's dialogue not thud. there's some great shots and mann moments in it though

i think that scene above when watched next to the heat version is really useful as a compare and contrast between good acting and bad acting. those two guys are just hoping to get through the scene without flubbing a line, but deniro and pacino have a lot of subtle little looks and moments and inflections in their lines, plus they actually look the parts and bring some gravitas to the proceedings.

yeah totally. it doesn't matter how awesome a job everyone working on your movie is doing if your actors aren't showing up and kicking ass

ha yeah that is really instructive

especially about the part of acting thats like being interesting or being charistmatic

Was thinking that seemed weird for a tentpole guy.

― tbd (Eazy), Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:00 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

when has mann ever been a tentpole guy?

also when is my criterion thief blu-ray arriving, eh?