Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

the other thing is, the show is in NO WAY triumphalist at all. it just shows the whole "business" as this seeping evil that infects the lives of those who become involved. there are moments, lots of them, where you want walt to triumph, but that doesn't mean he's actually happy or doing great or something. it's weird in that you're egging on the narrative arc of his total descent into evil, rather than his success at selling drugs.

The racial undercurrent that he's arguing for doesn't really make sense when you start factoring in Gus, who pointedly isn't mentioned at all.

The point about treating purer meth as an artisanal craft like homemade beer is a good one (but that analogy is already in the show, with Hank making Schraderbrau). The Wire was more realistic (I imagine, I have no idea) about the effect of changes in drug purity.

Along with ignoring Gus the article also fails to mention that Jesse's success in Mexico is based entirely on following Walter's lab procedures and recipe. It's not that he's brilliant, he's just parroting Walter. It's not primarily a racial divide, just a divide between a pro chemist and the amateurs. It's not unlikely that a pro chemist would make better product, just that anyone would be able to build an empire on the difference.

Oh and Victor does just as well as Jesse when he gets his short-lived chance.

article didn't mention that Walt and/or the show almost bend over backwards to make sure all the people he cooks or conspires with are white dudes (Jesse, Mike, Saul, Gale, Todd)

Along with ignoring Gus the article also fails to mention that Jesse's success in Mexico is based entirely on following Walter's lab procedures and recipe. It's not that he's brilliant, he's just parroting Walter. It's not primarily a racial divide, just a divide between a pro chemist and the amateurs. It's not unlikely that a pro chemist would make better product, just that anyone would be able to build an empire on the difference.

― Plasmon, Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:20 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

Walt always goes on about "i'm the best and he's the 2nd best" like Jesse has serious talent or intuition aside from Walt's scientific knowledge but it's never been clear to me whether he's just saying that or if it's really true

I think the article's reaching a little too, but makes some weird points with the main character named White, making this "pure" drug in the midst of all of these brown people. (Though most of the users - the zombies - we've seen have been white as well.)

I've had the same thought, most recently when Mike, Walt and Jess drive out to meet the Arizona crew and you see the backs of these three pale bald heads in the car. Factor in Mr. White's comfort level with the actual white power dudes (white powder?) and it's not a stretch to see some of this stuff in a Paul Is Dead sort of way.

White supremacists love the Beatles, btw, maybe even more so than Elvis.

Then there's the amateur white guys who totally suck at making meth, like the dude at Home Depot buying the wrong matches. The cartel may not be up to the standards of a modern industrial chemistry lab but at least they're not buying the wrong matches.

Walter's line about Jesse's talent is super obviously Svengali bullshit. There's zero indication of that talent at any time in the first few seasons, but now Walter has every interest in keepin Jesse under his wing. The end of the "Jesse, you idiot" scenes is one of the biggest changes in the show this season.

Jesse has been uncharacteristically competent this season though.

yeah the article is definitely OTT, all the stuff about the car sponsorship is like c'mon why do you keep bringing that up. i do like that it kinda gets into the unspoken racial emphasis in a lot of these gritty cable shows critics go nuts for, which are generally more white than even their uncool network equivalents -- other than like The Wire and Oz (which didn't really get that many viewers or awards compared to some other shows) you've got the white gangster world of The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire, Mad Men looking at the white site of the old segregated society, Hell On Wheels with a confederate soldier protagonist, The Killing adaptation changing its setting to America and inadvertantly becoming a show about dead white girl syndrome in the process, all-white biker gang on Sons of Anarchy (which at least doesn't let the characters off the hook about that), etc etc. obviously it's easy to just pull up examples and skew them that way, which the writer definitely does, but it's worth thinking about imo.

jesse was running the lab himself at the end of last season

The show is about Walt thinking he's triumphant, but all of us viewers recognizing the tragedy.

according to that piece, America is "the little guy" in the war on terror. :|
i wish he'd opened with that assertion and i wouldn't have wasted my time reading any further.

wow xposts!

latino dudes get a pretty tough time on this show, huh

- victor (dead)
- krazy-8 (dead)
- tuco (dead)
- combo (dead)
- hugo (fired from the high school for walt's sins)

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:06 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh forgot

- tortuga (dead)
- the cousins (dead)

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:25 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know why he had to bring race into it since "breaking bad" is clearly a show about women fucking up a good thing.

xpost Well, the American drug trade has left behind nothing if not a trail of dead Latinos. Columbia, Miami/Cuba, what's going on in Mexico ...

oh yeah i remember those tracer posts! good lookin out

my fantasy for the final episode is that it's hugo who finally brings walt down, walt's in cuffs being hauled bodily through the police station and he's saying "hugo??! who the fuck is hugo??" and doesn't even recognize hugo, who's standing right there watching him go by, and he gives a slow little shake of the head

i liked the point about how 'Mexican cartels' are always this vague monolithic force -- reminds me of how the scientific consultant on Contagion insisted the virus couldn't originate in Africa because that's ALWAYS what happens in movies

Very interesting, by the way, how fast the real-life story of meth is progressing. My wife and I just watched the Louis Theroux special on "The City Addicted to Crystal Meth," Fresno, CA, which they call the meth capital of the world. That ep. was less than a decade ago, and now apparently almost all the meth manufacturing has moved out of the US and mostly to Mexico.

damn foreigners stealing our jobs.

I don't think too hard about the plot points of this basic cable television show, but it does bother me a little how the writers slapped the dust off their hands and went "Well. We've gotten rid of the Mexican Cartel from interfering with Heisenberg's operation."

I understand the head of that particular cartel and all his lieutenants were poisoned by Gus, but I'm pretty sure that whole scene works like a vacuum. If one domino falls, they don't all fall. Just another one swoops in and takes its place.

Keep in mind that only weeks have passed since Gus's demise.

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Keep in mind that only weeks have passed since Gus's demise.

Goddammmit. I hate this time thing.

How long did Jane's dad take off before coming back to work? 16 hours?

Several months have passed since Gus's death now. Albuquerque does seem remarkable light on drug gangs though.

They're not selling in ABQ though are they?

I mean that was the brilliant part of their setup, all the risk shunted off to the Phoenix boys and overseas

you've got the white gangster world of The Sopranos

this is wrong btw

as is boardwalk empire as well as the notion that hell on wheels and the killing are crit faves (or that deadwood or justified - both of which are/were pretty integrated - apparently aren't). note sure how you leave downton abbey on the table there either. or for that matter girls though then you'd have to acknowledge that crit fave comedies tend to be more diverse than the norm and (coincidentally let's hope) much lower rated.

uhhh deadwood was not that well integrated, san francisco cocksuckers lol

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lol INTENSE

Needs more ruching, yo.

are they dating or did he just get some of the sickest assigned seating ever

im pretty sure hes married

wtf is up with sparkly suit

I like the fact that Walt ends of killing the people Hank would if he could even though they are on opposite sides

I love SKylars littel "ditzy acountant" act - lol

that was brilliant

i don't think Hank wants to kill anyone, even the bad guys.

but that is a good point - that Walt has killed alot of the guys Hank is or would have been after (Jesse being a huge exception).

makes me wonder now, if that trend holds true - will Walt kill himself at the end? the very first episode he literally tried to blow his brains out.

i don't think Hank wants to kill anyone, even the bad guys.

Yeah, this was pretty explicitly underscored at the end of this season, given his reaction to the prison murders.

i think his reaction to the prison murders was more "oh shit there goes my case!" on the other hand, he did throw tuco's grill into the river - i read that as, for all his bravado he can't look at taking someone's life as a frikkin joke.

that's an interesting angle... if push came to shove hank would prolly hesitate pulling a trigger on walt, but walt has proved his standards are pretty low when it comes to self-preservation.

I've been rewatching from the beginning and I know we've discussed the time frame of the show and vince gilligan has said he tries not include any time references but there are some real obvious ones in season 2. Lots of dialogue like 'oh that was about a month ago' etc. The most obvious being Janes death. When Walt and Janes dad are talking in the bar the night before, janes dad mentions he has a daughter turning 27 next month. when the medical examiners are taking out her body he says he DOB is 4/4/82 so we can assume jane died in march 2009. from other time references I'd say that was about 3 months from walts 50th which we could maybe place in tyhe second week or third week of january (since school winter break probably takes up the first week of the year). Also empty pool so probably winter. BrBa detective work up in here.

are we to assume Walt it responsible for Jane's death? I can't figeru that one out - was she save-able when he was with her? THen again if he didn't, she was blackmailing him, so maybe he had his reasons to let her die

Yeah, he totally could've saved her.