Canadian Politics Thread

All is not well!

the pm is not dead

more info 2 critically wounded...

there were talks where it was a sound grenade or some dud stuff like that

1 dead

On February 15, 2012 Bill C-19 for eliminating the Gun Registry passed in the House of Commons with support from Stephen Harper's Conservatives. Only the Province of Quebec moved for a motion to prevent the destruction of the records.
Nice going Harper.

50 year old man with an AK, 2 wounded, one of whom has been confirmed dead by the SPVM.

some reports have the man shouting during or after the shooting 'les anglais se reveillent' in an anglophone accent but it's unclear - only showing up in some news stories.

a.k.a. this could get bad?

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what are you thinking of alex? popular upheaval against rhodesians?

it was still on when she came back on stage...

We do hear him say "Les Anglais sont réveillent! Les Anglais sont réveillent!" with an accent and bad grammar. Just saw it again now.

u know we will be as wise as the norwegians were when they had to deal with their active shooter shitbird

If this guy's grudge is against the anglophone suppression (I'm assuming, anyway), why shout his protest in French?

the cops have said he's a "quebecer from outside of montreal," wtv that means

http://www.facebook.com/richard.h.bain
according to the JdM

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Suspect+custody+after+killing+victory+party+premier+elect+Pauline+Marois/7192567/story.html

BAIN

hellow world , look at the kind of shit we have to deal with
http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Corbella+third+Quebec+voters+bigots/7196024/story.html

and it just doesn't stop. but it's ok , right, it's not very impressive so who cares.

oh Alberta.

Her language, and especially the headline, are inflammatory. She also seems naive if she was truly surprised that the PQ could win 32% of the vote in QC. But on what points was she wrong about the PQ platform? (Technically, as I understood it, the proposed ban on religious garb would have applied to headwear and not necklaces so it wasn't explicitly favouring Christians in the way that this piece suggests. An "Om" chain would presumably be acceptable? Still, banning religious symbols on public servants but also wanting to keep the crucifix in the Assembly does suggest a bias.) What is your opinion of these proposals, Sebastien and Thermo? Also, there were multiple opinion pieces saying the same thing in Ontario papers so I don't think there's anything particularly Albertan about that piece.

the 63-year-old premier-designate spoke out of both sides of her mouth

Speaking out of both sides of her mouth, Marois says on the one hand, Quebecers want to make their own decisions

It was just another example of her speaking out of both sides of her mouth.

Just in case she didn't get the point across PAULINE MAROIS SPEAKS OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF HER MOUTH

What a frustrating thing to read. There may not be anything particularly Albertan about it if similar things have appeared in Ontario, I guess what's irritating about it is the hypocrisy. Alberta has loads of people who have given their support to similar potentially regressive conservative policies: Wildrose may not have won as many seats as projected but they still got over 1/3 of the popular vote, even after a couple of their party's wingnuts spoke out. This journalist seems to think Wildrose were 'punished' for these guys' comments but ignores that proportionally, slightly more Albertans supported WR as Quebeckers supported PQ.

The comments on the article are interesting, though. More informative than the article itself.

that should be 'slightly more Albertans supported WR than...'

well that's it. just the weird Alberta hate-on for Quebec bubbling up to the surface in that piece.

and yes, i do think it's an unfair policy that has no place in Canada.

Trudeau's going to run.

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article/405606--justin-trudeau-to-run-for-liberal-leadership-report

so is he too young?

really? i like him but this is a terrible idea

^^ agreed

I still don't know enough about him to gauge the wisdom of this. Do you think it's a terrible idea because he'll lose the nomination, win the nomination but lose the general, or win everything but not be prepared at all to govern?

I'm not a fan of his but I think he's probably the best chance the Liberals have right now.

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article/375444--trudeau-has-most-vote-drawing-power-among-liberal-leadership-hopefuls-poll

Who knows? Maybe he'll even grow on me. If the NDP were to lose me, it would likely be over some of their constitutional ideas ('asymmetrical federalism', reopening the constitution) and their wishy-washiness with stuff like Bill 101. JT does seem to be a strong classic federalist voice and appears to be on the left wing of his party otherwise.

sure, but he's only 40, and his prominence is still mostly because of his name.

i mean, he hasn't had a lot of a chance to show what he can do b/c the libs have been in the wilderness for almost a decade now, but i'm not 100% on board.

he's left for a liberal, which i approve of, but... i'm not sure how a trudeau will play out in quebec. there's a lot of animosity towards PET. out West too. he's young and charismatic and could probably win the liberal nomination. he's smart enough and articulate enough to maybe even manage to win the general - or at least have better chances than the last few professorial stiffs. but the name carries a lot of baggage and youth isn't often rewarded in canadian politics.

plus, if he wins, then what? who's his team? who does the liberal party have on their bench these days who are qualified to fill the ministries.

10 years of harper have gotten us used to centralization but a liberal gov't will only succeed if they have across-the-board competence a la the chretien years. i'm still not convinced the party has recovered from the gutting and infighting and while Trudeau as a leader just might be able to win the House for them and the PMship for himself, I don't know if the party as a whole has rebuilt enough to govern

we'll see i guess.

Well, is there someone else you see as being a more promising potential Liberal leader? I didn't say that a Trudeau-led Liberal Party would be great, just that he seems to be the best chance they have right now, in terms of winning more seats in the next election. (It didn't ever even really occur to me that the Liberals could win the next election, regardless of their leader. Who knows though?) Since I'd still like to see the NDP get a chance to govern, I personally hope he doesn't succeed too much at their expense.

I also thought that the Trudeau name would be a turn-off in QC and the Prairies, which is why his popularity surprises me. Still, he does seem to be popular. Is his popularity mostly concentrated in ON, BC, and Eastern Canada?

Watching Dalton's speech {stepdownstepdownstepdown}

whoa a prorogue!

my housemate works at Queen's Park so this means ~vacation for him~ but otherwise..

Every Monday, teachers across Ontario have been holding off arriving at work until 30 minutes before start time: "McGuinty Mondays." What do we call them now?

Start having Hudak Thursdays, where you don't show up at all?!

I will propose this at the next staff meeting.

Whoa, this is nuts. Has the teacher's union conflict been the main issue? I have been out of touch with things in ON. I voted Liberal twice. It was only last year that I started getting the creeping sense that McGuinty did not in fact have any idea what he was doing. I'm trying (not very hard, admittedly) to think of a precedent for this and coming up blank.

Interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/21/ontario-polls-nanos-forum_n_1903388.html

I'm not sure? I think it was a budget thing and the NDP victory in Kitchener?

i think it must have been alot of things.

Anyway this likely means no sessions 'til the new year, wowie

So this talk about McG running for the federal Liberal leadership: this would be a disastrous move for the federal Grits, right? (Mind you, I said the same thing about Justin T a year ago.)

there was talk about that a few years ago... but now tho?