Symmetry required it: 2012 american general election thread #2

it's fun!!

(no joek)

xpsot

joke/ post

The new thread isn't really bedded in until we get some yelling at non-voters.

Genuinely curious, Dr M - what lies are you expecting?

The problem with "really a Republican" arguments is that they sort of imply a fixed identity for either party that neither has ever had. Like, OK, Obama's sort of like an Eisenhower or Rockefeller Republican, except that he and the current Democratic Party are way more liberal on a lot of social and cultural issues than any party in the country's history has ever been. And the Democratic Party in Ike's day still had all those Dixiecrats in it. I just don't really like those kinds of simplifications.

otm, so tired of this

another detail from the running thing:

"Runner's World has been unable to find any marathon results by Ryan. Requests for more information from Ryan's Washington and Wisconsin offices, and from the Romney-Ryan campaign, have so far gone unanswered.

If Ryan has broken 3:00, he'd be the fastest marathoner to be on a national ticket. John Edwards has run 3:30; George W. Bush has run 3:44; Sarah Palin has run 3:59; and Al Gore has run 4:58."

(poor al gore.)

Read and heard very little about the speach. I'm guessing u were all impressed w/ how Mittens DEFINED HIMSELF.

Hope you have fun parsing the (occasionally) more subtle, artful lies on display next week.

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Friday, August 31, 2012 9:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

nobody is sitting in that chair you're arguing with fyi

so, so happily smug

haha al

This is fun:

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/31/poor_donald_trump/

Mocking Donald Trump for getting shunned by a convention that happily embraced Jon Voight and Stephen Baldwin.

What was Huckabee's marathon time

23 min on his treadmill

damn thats a fast marathon

i watched some of the romney speech last night - couldn't watch the whole thing - and the part where he says something like: and when americans lost their 20 dollar an hour job they took TWO jobs at 8 dollars an hour! some sort of example of how resiliant americans are and all i kept thinking was yeah people HAD to do that because of sick motherfuckers like you! you fucking asshole how dare you fucking bring up how hard people work and how SHITTY their lives are! how insulting. even seemed like the crowd was like YAAA-wait, huh? oh right our lives suck... *sigh* but we're americans YAYYY!!!

the nerve of that fucking guy.

plus it was right at near the beginning of his speech. the whole beginning was this massive downer about how everything sucks for regular people. a guy who is worth a zillion dollars and makes a living ripping companies apart and firing people and selling the trashed company for parts is telling you how much your life sucks!!!

he loves american resilience and would love to give us opportunities to show off that resilience in the future

they should have played this after his speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoM2OyPL970

america can take a punch! repeatedly! for decades! never give up, america. no matter how many companies i demolished, you kept going! it didn't matter if you had to work FOUR shitty jobs and never see your kids and i had to find even more off-shore banks for my money, you didn't die.

how dare he. for real.

totally agree, hes an utter barbarian

anne romney likewise in her speech tried to conflate the day to day travails of having five boys at home to take care of (w/only the help of two nannies no doubt) w/the actual hard times of struggling people

it's really hard to make horses dance like that
have some compassion

i was wondering yesterday if someone could refer to peggy noonan as piggy noonan from now on
when she complains, be all like "what, it's just a vowel" and see if she remembers susana/susan

mormons and potential mormons (pomos?) are pros at riding a martyrdom/persecution complex but it only works if there's a coherent martyrdom/persecution complex for them to ride. this is why it doesn't surprise me that mitt was responsible for the clint eastwood disaster. they shoot from the hip and "trust in god" and it all works out for them if all the rules are already in place... (in a sacrament meeting, in all of the places that are handed to them). but if the rules aren't in place or they're contested, people like mitt are basically revealed as pathetic doddering idiots, the kind of person who stakes their identity on a mcdonald's religion so they can more easily lie to themselves about how good they are as people.

lol, why do i disguise my sheer contempt as "analysis"

xp aaaahhhhh I was just talking about Piggy Noonan and that episode last night to politics people!

details

i'll be so so so happy if this guy loses, the harder the better, and i mean i'm sympathetic to both-parties-are-the-same arguments and that the u.s. is fubar or whatever... BUT i don't know if i could bear living in this state if the guy all the douche mormons aspire to be gets to be president of the country. on the other hand, it would be kinda interesting to watch how the religion/culture dealt with it in persecution complex terms. ah i already know how that would play out, it would just be re-entrenched in crazier ways probably. i mean, they're already full-crazy, no one's stopping them from going extra-full. xp anyway

losing a presidential election by 3 points is basically slavery imho

special underwear in the white house *shudders*

been thinking abt my prediction upthread that ryans the 2016 republican nominee and now im kinda of the mind that he may have stigmatized himself w/the lying and if he keeps doing it until the election its prob not gonna happen for him, its just so v foolish hes in a great position the base is nuts over him and it turns out he doesnt know how to lie right doesnt know which kind of lies to tell how to mislead w/o completely contradicting the facts

if he doesnt change his ways he could find himself in a palin type 'tragically too stigmatized by the librul media to get elected' type situation

I don't have faith in the media's ability to make Ryan's lies linger, especially when for "balance"'s sake they'll look for Obama's whoppers next week.

lying to the media isnt as quite as easy as it seems imho, theres an art to it, he can get away w/the one speech but unless he ups his game fast hes cooked

it will be interesting to see how far backward the fact checkers bend at the dnc to maintain the illusion of objectivity

I don't think ryan has a bio he can run on

the lying part I don't think really matters

i think hes like the hardcore conservative that has his shit together and is not a total clown m/l, seeing how the crowd went apeshit for him i was like whoa, and i kinda felt like i understood what they were looking for in him

being labeled as a liar is v much nagl when people are just getting to know you

i cant recall a reaction like the medias over ryans speech, its like fine lie to us but dont humiliate us or we might have to call you on it

eh I think if you did a national poll atm and tried to get attributes that people attach to paul ryan, the result would bel ike 30% "budget hawk' 30% "no not a budget hawk" "40% I do not know who that man is"

The lying expose on Fox is STILL the number four trending story on there.

xp i kinda doubt thats accurate but anyway what matters is what people think of him in a few months and then in a few years and hes really got off on the wrong foot after starting from a position of strength

does anyone here watch leno? what would the paul ryan easy-political-caricature joke be at this point?

the marathon thing feels like kind of a big deal somehow. it's like, most ppl don't know the history of general motors in janesville, wi or exactly what happened during the debt ceiling negotiations. but lying -- by a lot! and wholly unnecessarily! -- about one's running time is a straight-up asshole move that ppl can readily identify

ryan is carcetti, no?
he can only make it so far using this model

xp such perfect shorthand for "you're full of shit and arrogant too"

JAY LENO: Mitt Romney told People magazine his favorite movie is O Brother, Where Art Thou? You know, the George Clooney movie? That was a good movie. Paul Ryan's favorite film is Throw Momma from the Train, 'cause it reminds him of his Medicare policies.

ha

"It looks like Hurricane Isaac has delayed the Republican convention for one day. This is a big storm. In fact, Isaac has scared more senior citizens than Paul Ryan." -Jay Leno

just the very idea that ryan is the BEST they've got. man oh man i mean that is so fucked up.

although you know at one point kerry and dukakis were the best the dems had. still, even kerry and dukakis look like abe lincoln and mary friggin' todd lincoln compared to ryan.

ps why am I googling Jay Leno jokes about Paul Ryan, it's Labor Day weekend, where's my fucking beer

yes but Clint was FUNNY y'all!

well there you go xp

I genuinely believe that comedy probably plays a bigger role than people think in defining national politicians. there was some papaer about the tina fey effect w/r/t sarah palin.