Jesus Fucking Christ: evangelical bigwig opposed gay marriage "because it takes the dirt and danger out of clandestine sex with rent-a-men"

There's this.

And there's that.

Back for the attack!

As guests parked in his snow-crusted field and carried chocolate chip cookies and jugs of apple juice into the barn, he greeted them enthusiastically. "Look, everybody," Haggard announced when one person arrived with a special treat: "Chocolate cake!"

As the service began, he was jovial, even joking about his indiscretion. "If you're not getting enough snuggling [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.

Also:

The rejection by friends and church members made his situation more painful, Haggard said. He did not name New Life, but spoke critically of people focused too intently on religion and rules instead of God. "When you get yourself in trouble, are they going to draw near to you? No, they're going to disappear. They're going to judge you," he said.

H.B. London, the vice president of church and clergy at Focus on the Family and a former member of Haggard's restoration team, criticized Haggard's decision to start a new church located so close to New Life as insensitive and premature.

London said he'd heard from many pastors who don't think Haggard is ready to lead a congregation again, asserting that Haggard didn't complete the restoration process and was still in need of counseling.

But London said it doesn't surprise him that Haggard can attract followers. "He was a hero to many people, and people are pretty forgiving. Forgiveness is good, but just because you forgive someone does not give them the right to just begin again, necessarily," he said.

Stuff like that fascinates me because of the whole idea of the sliding scale of forgiveness.

"If you're not getting enough meth and anal sex [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.

"Now, about that cake."

aaaaand... bump

http://gawker.com/5531027/the-virulent-anti+gay-activist-who-brought-a-rentboy-to-europe-updated

Rekers has been speaking out against all things gay for many years now, so vehemently that one is led to assume that he's overcompensating for something. And indeed that looks to be the case. Rekers traveled to Europe on a vacation recently and hired an escort through Rentboy.com to "carry his luggage." He claims he recently had surgery and thus couldn't do the lifting himself. Why he found a porter through a gay prostitution website — the only place where Lucien, as the rentboy is called by the Miami New Times (who broke the story), offers his services — remains unexplained.

Sure, it's just the same old story: destestable Christian bigot exposed as howling hypocrite. But it never seems to grow stale, does it?

But where else would you rent a boy to carry your luggage?

Man I know this is extremely touchy-feely territory & I can also get into the schadenfreude of hateful hypocrites getting their comeuppance for sure, but amidst that feeling when this sort of thing happens I usually also feel a terrible sadness. Because when a guy makes his lifework this sort of "ensure that being gay is seen as wrong/erase gains made toward dignity and acceptance/un-liberate everybody" thing, and it turns out, not even surprisingly at all to anybody any more, that the guy in question is gay or bi -- I mean to me it seems like the process in these guys' heads has gotta be a walking daily Hell of self-denial and self-hatred -- it has to be like constantly policing yourself to never, ever for a second contemplate who you might really be, what your real feelings are, what kind of life you'd actually like to lead; never share with anybody how and who you are; construct an entire life toward trying to strike the pose of being the sort of person you think of as good, as opposed to the sort of person you make a point of painting publicly as sick or narcissistic or sinful, which is actually just you talking about how you feel about yourself...I mean, fuck these guys for all the harm they do, but that they spend most of their lives in this prison of shame is tragic to me. getting all the way to old age without ever allowing yourself the chance to be who you are without hiding it? having a whole family to whom you can only show part of yourself? that is so sad, what a sad world.

Who knows what is really going on in their heads, I think one of the appeals of this kind of story is the sheer unfathomability of what they must be thinking. But to put a different spin on it, perhaps they're having the time of their lives railing against teh homos while gaily bumming around all up the whazoo in private. Kind of like yer socialist dictator preaching collectivism while lording it up in a palace.

The world is too sad and life is too short to waste any of our empathy on people like him.

jesus f christ wd disagree iirc

Empathy for his personal suffering doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his sins against other people.

But to put a different spin on it, perhaps they're having the time of their lives railing against teh homos while gaily bumming around all up the whazoo in private. Kind of like yer socialist dictator preaching collectivism while lording it up in a palace.

kinda like this reading - maybe guys who do this are just berzerker sociopath gay men who get laffs from making a bunch of fundies think they're all on the same side

gotta make the sex hotter too knowing that if you get caught it will completely fuck everything up

(and yeah, Laurel, obv me feeling these stories are tragic absolves no one of anything - to the best of my knowledge I do not have the authority to grant absolution, though I should check, I think I'm due for a pay grade increase and maybe now I can pardon people for foul shit)

Empathy for his personal suffering doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his sins against other people.

― wasting time and money trying to change the weather (Laurel), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 9:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

word, otming aerosmith more than anything

I wonder if, when you spend your life working to make the world a worse place for gays (for instance), and you are somewhat successful, your paranoia about BEING one and having to hypothetically LIVE in the world you've created increases, which makes you agitate against it/yourself even more, which makes the world seem worse for your kind, which makes you react MORE strongly, which...etc. Obvious stuff really but since we're looking for a window into this kind of thinking....

How many of these guys WANT to be caught, do you think? Probably everyone does at some point, just to contemplate getting off the merry-go-round even if they don't want to go through the upheaval that results.

ike constantly policing yourself to never, ever for a second contemplate who you might really be, what your real feelings are, what kind of life you'd actually like to lead; never share with anybody how and who you are; construct an entire life toward trying to strike the pose of being the sort of person you think of as good, as opposed to the sort of person you make a point of painting publicly as sick or narcissistic or sinful, which is actually just you talking about how you feel about yourself

i thought this was just called "being alive"

or have i said too much

haha

what's amazing is how common these stories are.

more amazing is how some ppl don't understand why everyone assumes virulent homophobes are closeted gays given the frequency of these stories

my guess is (james baldwin ahoy) people like this get into the firebreathing racket early in life and those already in it are more than happy to have them.

...and we'll probably never really know how it works since none of these dudes has the self-possession to give an honest account of their life, inner or outer. they're too deep in the game, and the whole life around it; self-exile is hard work and these guys have raised cowardice to an artform. ted haggard did a prayer weekend and he's off the cock now, remember?

jd otm

interesting how this guy helped enforce Florida's gay adoption ban, 'cos it could lead to "sexual abuse of an adolescent male foster child by that homosexual"; adopts a 16 yr old boy himself, and then has sex with a rent boy that is barely a few yrs older than that. Sooooo hypocritical.

Going down fighting. As it were.

lolling hardcore at "teensextoday.com"

this slanderous article

fightin' words!

and we'll probably never really know how it works since none of these dudes has the self-possession to give an honest account of their life, inner or outer.

http://rgr-static1.tangentlabs.co.uk/media/9781400047284/blinded-by-the-right-the-conscience-of-an-ex-conservative.jpg

oh right, forgot about that dude.

and gram the one-eyed snake

his research contributions on child gender identity disorder.

WTF

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/05/06/alg_abs_rekers_inset.jpg

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFo8NGO4nTA

Contrary to Internet stories based on this slanderous article, following medical advice Professor George Rekers requires an assistant to lift his luggage in his travels because of an ongoing condition following surgery.

As documented in this photo... er...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/06/article-1273778-09741145000005DC-475_468x357.jpg

What's worse is this guy was in Europe. Is he also secretly a socialist who hates America?

one thing's for sure: whether it's to talk or keep quiet, the kid's going to end up getting paid a lot more for his week in europe than he planned

oh look, new hilarious update at professorgeorge.com (boldface his):

Dr. Rekers found his recent travel assistant by interviewing different people who might be able to help, and did not even find out about his travel assistant’s Internet advertisements offering prostitution activity until after the trip was in progress. There was nothing inappropriate with this relationship.

"I need a stenographer."

"A stenographer?"

"...yeah."

"Huh."

"Wait, no, an ostler."

Anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Y1mFTNU2c

"I need a stenographer... for my COCK."

"Monster.com, just what I needed!"

...

"Wait, this isn't about...um..."

Elsewhere:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/05/video_stephen_colbert_names_ge.php

'Lifting luggage' = 'naked body rubs'. One for urbandictionary.com, then.

New Times spent more than three hours with Lucien in the wee hours of Thursday morning. Check back this afternoon for stories detailing the trip, the document Rekers asked Lucien to prepare in the hopes of preventing any future disclosures, and a character sketch of what we think is a brave kid -- one who dawdled for less than 24 hours before opting to tell an exceptionally painful story.

What's worse is this guy was in Europe. Is he also secretly a socialist who hates America?

― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:00 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He is proving how much he likes america by only renting american boys rather than giving into free socialised european boys.

how much luggage does one teen sex specialist need??

those are the bags the various pieces of his cut-up body were to be secreted in

Carefully phrased.

one does what one can