Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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Well it certainly doesn't measure up to that downpour that happened like 2 weeks ago in DC, I mean he was there for it so he would know, I mean some of the streets were kind of...you know...too wet.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Georgie caught a sniffle, even

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Why would you actually say that unless you had a vested interest in absolving yourself from responsibility?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

(I actually find it very interesting that NROworld, which normally reports every last little thing Bush sez in speeches within minutes of him saying it, has fallen completely silent on the matter today aside from a half-assed "That's nice that's he said that" response from Lopez, who herself said earlier -- in an attempt to pull a joke but there was a hint of desperation about it -- that she seems to be in 'defensive hack' mode.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I am without words, this whole thing is so stunningly horrible. Worse than 9/11. Easily.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Paraphrased: "Let's not forget it's not just about New Orleans, it's about rural Mississippi, too!" (translation: VOTER BASE)

disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

BUSH SAID WE NEED TO GET THE POWER PLANTS RUNNING SO WE CAN GET THE POWER TO THE PEOPLE OMG

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

(xp) I mean, it's not like Bush is one for the nuanced historical perspective.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

"The first thing I'm a-gonna do, see, is get back to, you know, the White House, take a good shower, and count my blessins."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

POWER! TO THE PEOPLE!

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Ned is right: The Corner is eerily silent.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

fightin' a war and carin' about flood victims is hard work. It's hard.

Reminds me of the Passion Fodder lyrics:
"It's hard work to run a country, when you're dumb as a horse"

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- I mean, there are posts, of course, but they're the usual -- puffery from letters sent in to make them feel better, kneejerk hoohah -- and the pace is notably slower. Arguably a lot of folks just went on Labor Day vacations early to congratulate themselves on their wonderfulness. But all this week they've been all "Well Bush will snap into gear here soon enough, just you see!" And now...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Bush is now saying that the response has been "unacceptable" and he's gonna go down there to straighten things out.

well, now we know the answer to this

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

As guilty as I feel about thinking about even more anti-Bush silver linings -- as they are not constructive to saving the people that need to be saved NOW, I noticed we forgot to mention possibly the grandest of them yet:

The 4th anniversary of 9/11 is due in a week or so.

Had Katrina just fizzled into the Yucatan as a tropical depression last week instead, we'd be already be seeing the massive parades of 9/11 nostalgia on TV, and see the angelic imposed Bush over those American flags as "the fighter against terrorism".

Well, um, I don't think that's going to happen this time.

Mass media might decide to tone down the New Orleans disaster coverage and focus right back into 9/11 nostalgia as usual.

But probably not. Who knows. If Gulf coast disaster isn't "boring" by then, then the focus will not be nearly as strong as it was for the previous "remember 9/11" anniversaries. U.S. mass media will flip between pro-Bush and anti-Bush depending on what is exciting viewers the most, period. U.S. mass media wants to feed more passion and hence more ratings to itself. When a major story becomes "boring", it's time to move on.

I don't think the Gulf Coast disaster news will become "boring" by 9/11/2005...

Right around 9/11/2005, we'll be seeing more accurate roundups of the death toll down there in the central Gulf coast, as the waters evaporate, recede, etc. No one knows if things will STILL get better by then, by more shit is going to be hitting more fans JUST IN TIME for 9/11/2005. It's possible that "the 4th anniversary" is going to be a secondary footnote in the news...

Not only that, in future years, future "anniversaries" on mass media will have to honor both Katrina aftermath *and* 9/11, in that order, for chronological reasons.

I think Bush's "remember 9/11" crutch/support might have finally given way... thanks to Katrina's timing.

And of course, I'm NOT trying to downplay the importance and horror of 9/11.. DUh! But I've been sick to my stomach for the past three years around this time, though, because our not-known-then-but-known-now ineptness of our government to have prevented this in SO many ways had been totally clusterfucked and warped into a big celebration and veneration of Bush. And forgive me if I'm happy at the possibility of the latter being dismantled now.. and allowing 9/11 rememberance to be what it truly should be, and not serve as a pedestal for which to support and venerate Bush.

I have more thoughts on this later. Sadly I have to go back to work.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

FEMA Dir. Mike Brown fired from prior job at Horse Assoc.

"Yes, that's right... the man responsible for directing federal relief operations in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, sharpened his emergency management skills as the "Judges and Stewards Commissioner" for the International Arabian Horses Association... a position from which he was forced to resign in the face of mounting litigation and financial disarray."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he used to be Bush's coke dealer.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

The last two Corner posts in an hour:

CONVOY AFTER CONVOY... [Rich Lowry ]
...pouring into NO. It's great to see...
Posted at 02:20 PM

I SURE HOPE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
"My guess is that it will start at 10,000, but that is only a guess," [Louisiana Senator David] Vitter said," talking about Louisiana.
Posted at 01:53 PM

INCISIVE!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

oh my god:

"Using our firm as a typical example reveals just how devastating the storm has been. Until today I could not locate all of my partners. Obviously we cannot perform necessary banking functions. We cannot receive mail. We cannot communicate with or visit our office. We cannot find many clients. We cannot collect fees or send bills. Consequently, there will be a significant delay in revenue collection and, as an obvious by-product, a very real threat to our ability to pay or even maintain all employees.

"Yesterday I made calls to ask for some delay on behalf of our employees, but I was turned down flat. Despite the circumstances, credit card companies insisted upon payment and, on at least two separate occasions, confirmed that accounts will continue to accrue interest and that they will charge fees for late payment. In the face of this overwhelming tragedy, which has left over one million people with uncertain futures, such a position is scandalous."

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

but i guess i shouldn't worry, since trent lott will no doubt find enough cash to rebuild his (second) house

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Well that and the Jefferson Davis house. He was a great American and a patriot who stood for good causes, you know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Imagine his torment, he won't have a second home for a few months at least.

x-post

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

"I KNEW Strom was right all along!"

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

the more republicans talk, the more i understand db's drive to punch walls and other inanimate obbjects

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Is there anything close to even a rough death toll estimate at this point?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

USPShas closed the storm affected ZIP codes temporarily anyway, so is there any way that their decision can override the bills one noted in the blog entry above?

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Damn, I won't be able to get my second-hand Rage Against The Machine CD i ordered from that one Amazon reseller in New Orleans, so I can RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!

(sorry. kidding, of course.)

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

we'd be already be seeing the massive parades of 9/11 nostalgia on TV, and see the angelic imposed Bush over those American flags as "the fighter against terrorism".

Well, um, I don't think that's going to happen this time.

thing is, i think the Freedom Walk is still on. maybe they'll frame it as "we must honor the dead of new orleans by continuing the fight over there"

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

y'know, i just realized what kind of person we have leading most of our national government right now:

http://www.aliens.ibt.pl/COMPANY/burke03.jpg

only the marines who'll say "i say we grease this ratfuck sonuvabitch right now. Yer DOGMEAT, pal!" are 3000+ miles away.

also, they won't get their just desserts by becoming just desserts gobbled up by monsters.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Oh, come on. The people of New Orleans brought this on themselves. You know what it's like there. Where's Jerry Fallwell? Where the FUCK is Jerry Fallwell? It's times like this when we need his wise words.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

ok, I know that this is probably going to mean that's totally accurate, but kingfish what kind of brain dead, moronic, ludicrious, completely out of touch with reality nonhuman would one have to be to even attempt to frame anything in that light? I mean we are talking about Bush & Friends but...

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

what kind of brain dead, moronic, ludicrious, completely out of touch with reality nonhuman would one have to be to even attempt to frame anything in that light? I mean we are talking about Bush & Friends but...

well, i was being facetious, but shit, they're the ones still holding the goddamn pro-war march after all this anyway... We're far beyond rationality, here.

as Arthur Silber wrote in one of his posts, at least when the Soviet Army had a parade, they celebrated something positive...

he also put this thing up, WHEN NEXT WEEK NEVER COMES, NOW IS THE TIME FOR POLITICS

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

xpost

2005: Expect the worst.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Despite the circumstances, credit card companies insisted upon payment and, on at least two separate occasions, confirmed that accounts will continue to accrue interest and that they will charge fees for late payment.

i was wondering how debt collectors would respond to this, whether they'd be willing to suspend the debts or put people's accounts on hold. not surprising that they're acting like loan sharks.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

>> but i guess i shouldn't worry, since trent lott will no doubt find enough cash to rebuild his (second) house

On Channel 4 news over here they just showed a clip of Bush with Trent Lott going on about how they're going to rebuild Trent Lott's house and he's looking forward to sitting on his new porch.

We were sitting there going "did he actually just say that? I guess he did"

I'm just in a big WTF about this whole thing.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

If I wasn't in favor of reparations before all this...

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

There's a pretty good piece at the CNN site right now contrasting the reality in NO vs. what federal officials were claiming:

The big disconnect on New Orleans

Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday. The sanitized view came from federal officials at news conferences and television appearances. But the official line was contradicted by grittier, more desperate views from the shelters and the streets.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Brown: That's not been reported to me, so I'm not going to comment. Until I actually get a report from my teams that say, "We have bodies located here or there," I'm just not going to speculate.

Or investigate, apparently.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone see Clinton and Bush on TV yesterday afternoon? The reporter talking to them basically asked 'BC, do you think the administration is to blame?' and he basically responded saying 'were not in their shoes and we cant possibly know what they had to contend with, so we cant blame them'. I almost shit my pants. I was like HOLY SHIT CLINTON, THE BUSH PEOPLE WOULD JUST AS SOON SEE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY DEAD AND YOU JUST DEFENDED THEM.

I was in Texas when I was watching all this and exclaimed 'Man that Clinton is such a classy dude' to which the person standing next to me responded 'Are you kidding?'. I forgot where I was for a second.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Clinton has the good sense as a former President not to criticize the government, especially when the rest of the world hates our guts and gets satisfaction from seeing this kind of thing.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Sidney Blumenthal in Salon:

"No one can say they didn't see it coming"
In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.


Amazing prophetic article from last October in National Geographic:

It was a broiling August afternoon in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Big Easy, the City That Care Forgot. Those who ventured outside moved as if they were swimming in tupelo honey. Those inside paid silent homage to the man who invented air-conditioning as they watched TV "storm teams" warn of a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing surprising there: Hurricanes in August are as much a part of life in this town as hangovers on Ash Wednesday.

But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however—the car-less, the homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look for any excuse to throw a party.

The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80 percent of New Orleans lies below sea level—more than eight feet below in places—so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet (eight meters) over parts of the city, people climbed onto roofs to escape it.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

wow:

"I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

where is that from...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

"To the San Andreas Fault I say, 'Bring it on.'"

San Andreas rolls over, burps, and says "I'm still here!"

(nothing greater than a 4.5 in this "swarm" so far)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I read that AP story with the Gingrich quote on Yahoo.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I'm actually writing this and MEANING it:

NEWT GINGRICH OTM!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I walked outside my office building just now, and saw one of the few "W" stickered SUV's completely vandalized -- broken windows, spraypaint, everything -- IN REDMOND FUCKING WASHINGTON!

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Newt's point is that we dont need a department of homeland security.

xpost holy shit donut

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

wow

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

"he better hope he gets impeached before someone assassinates his ass"

sorry. that just seems like it bears repeating.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)


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