Non-taxation of religious organizations is purely a political decision by Congress which could be reversed at any point, if Congress decided differently. Not a constitutional issue whatsoever.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 18:03 (thirteen years ago)
It's true that tax-exempt status for religious orgs is statutory, but the laws conferring that status - and those making them audit-resistant and exempt from filing annual financial reports - are based in principles, including that of separation of church and state. Also, some case law supports the idea of tax-exemptions for churches as being in line with the establishment clause and the ideal of separation of church and state (though OTOH, some decisions have held that tax-exempt status is a means of govt. support of religious orgs).
This article has an interesting section about the history of tax-exemptions for religious orgs and charities http://lawandreligion.com/sites/lawandreligion.com/files/livingston.pdf.
― (*・_・)ノ⌒ ☆ (Je55e), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 06:25 (thirteen years ago)
late cardinal, a progressive Italian Jesuit, in last interview:
"The church is 200 years out of date. Why don't we rouse ourselves? Are we afraid?"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48876172/ns/world_news-europe
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)
No Catholic conservative would cop to being afraid of change or to being out of date, for that matter. To them, religion and morality are static reflections of an omnipotent, omniscient (and therefore unchanging) god. Consequently, change is not frightening so much as simply wrongheaded.
Once you get yourself deeply into this sort of a mental trap, you become a voluntary prisoner. Every door to change is wide open, but using one's freedom looks like a sin.
― Aimless, Sunday, 2 September 2012 18:01 (thirteen years ago)
I don't know if this has been discussed anywhere else on ilx:
http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=12865&MediaType=1&Category=26
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 2 September 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)
79 year old celibate monk makes profoundly ignorant pronouncement about sex. This is sad and stupid, but not terribly surprising.
― Aimless, Sunday, 2 September 2012 19:53 (thirteen years ago)
i acted as godfather at my nephew's christening on saturday, was v weird being back doing the vows etc. i didn't want to repeat them but i was at the altar and conscious of my sort of religious sister thinking i wasn't taking it seriously etc.
one thing tho, in one of the vow questions, the priest said something about rejecting "THE GLAMOUR OF EVIL". this phrase has been stuck in my head sense. THE GLAMOUR OF EVIL.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 September 2012 20:38 (thirteen years ago)
that's that good good Catholic stuff right there
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 3 September 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)
the priest arrived late, and he said to me, and i can quote it cos he repeated it later "sorry about my lateness, i've never done a cremation that fast, believe me!"
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 3 September 2012 21:40 (thirteen years ago)
A friend FB-posted: "Pope Francis washed women's feet on Holy Thursday, breaking canon law. The conservatives are going crazy."
http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/popes-like-dads-dont-have-a-choice-in-the-matter/
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:20 (thirteen years ago)
the pastor mentioned this -- approvingly, i should add -- during the homily at Holy Thursday Mass today.
― pancakes and sizzurp (Eisbaer), Friday, 29 March 2013 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
how could the prohibition on washing women's feet possibly have a scriptural justification? unless jesus just happens never to be mentioned as washing any women's feet (and does wash e.g. disciples' feet, and have his washed?)?
― j., Friday, 29 March 2013 01:51 (thirteen years ago)
i wasn't aware that there was any sort of canon-law based prohibition on this (if indeed there is), either.
― pancakes and sizzurp (Eisbaer), Friday, 29 March 2013 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
tbf jesus did a lot of stuff with his disciples that he supposedly never did with women
― mister borges (darraghmac), Friday, 29 March 2013 01:53 (thirteen years ago)
heh heh heh
― j., Friday, 29 March 2013 02:59 (thirteen years ago)
catholicism is mostly "these guys who started our church, supposedly, who knew guys who were with jesus a day or two, supposedly, are the direct voice of God via Jesus/God, exactly, so do whatever we say because even though we elect our leadership it's whoever speaking through us"
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Friday, 29 March 2013 03:43 (thirteen years ago)
see, direct line to the word of God
Petrine Succession, boyos.
― Aimless, Friday, 29 March 2013 04:29 (thirteen years ago)
is this a big departure?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html
― ryan, Thursday, 23 May 2013 00:59 (thirteen years ago)
as I understand it it's not a big departure historically but in the present age of fundamentalist revival, yes
― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:28 (thirteen years ago)
seems pretty awesome.
― ryan, Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
Catholic guilt is tradition. It does make intuitive sense to my indwelling Catholic: the Holy Family suffered as they did for me, but how grateful am I really, in my daily life? Not very. I'm more interested in myself. That's my nature, and I don't do much to overcome it or transcend it. But the saints show me that I could, if I really cared. Hence, guilt!
I just realized that I'm a Catholic about practising music
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:39 (thirteen years ago)
huge props to francis for that
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
Oh, that's interesting. I've pretty much always understood that it was belief in Christianity, not goodness of deeds or character, that was the determinant. So this seemed pretty radical to me.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:52 (thirteen years ago)
dude!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:56 (thirteen years ago)
Ah.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
you know, those ppl who think they're Christians.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2013 03:00 (thirteen years ago)
Adopting for a moment the xtian worldview, it seems apparent to me from the bible that the xtian god is allowed to do whatever he wants to do, whenever he wants, and this includes redeeming whoever he wants to redeem, without having to follow the rules he has previously announced, because he makes the rules as he goes along and is not required to post prior notice before making a rule change; that would be purely optional for him, as he is bound neither by precedent, nor by any purely human standard of fairness or justice. This seems pretty self-evident to me.
― Aimless, Thursday, 23 May 2013 03:16 (thirteen years ago)
In our daily lives, god usually acts through she-bears
― a very generous Cordoban (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:36 (thirteen years ago)
23 Then [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:39 (thirteen years ago)
I only know that story because of Weeds.
― akm, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:13 (thirteen years ago)
I kinda think the Curia is getting ready to kill the pope (again).
The Vatican issued an “explanatory note on the meaning of “salvation,” on Thursday, May 23, after media reports circulated indicating that Pope Francis” promised heaven for everyone engaged in good works, including atheists.
In response to the media attention, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who know about the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”
(Translation: Atheists are going to Hell if they don’t accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.)
http://www.examiner.com/article/vatican-corrects-pope-atheists-are-still-going-to-hell
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:12 (thirteen years ago)
Does the Church still believe in the existence of Hell, or does it define Hell ambiguously, as "total separation from God." If the former that seems pretty gauche.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:47 (thirteen years ago)
Sorry i see now that my question has been dealt with earlier. Anyway, i'm not a fan of this Vatican retraction.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:49 (thirteen years ago)
heh heh heh enter her or remain in her heh heh etc
― j., Sunday, 2 June 2013 06:00 (thirteen years ago)
when to withdraw is a p big deal for us
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:46 (thirteen years ago)
Saints Sergius and Bacchus were Roman soldiers, Christian martyrs and gay men who loved each other. They were killed around 303 in present-day Syria. Their feast day is observed on Oct. 7. The couple was openly gay, but secretly Christian — the opposite of today’s closeted Christians.
The close bond between the two men has been emphasized since the earliest accounts, and recent scholarship has revealed their homosexuality. The oldest record of their martyrdom describes them as erastai (Greek for “lovers”). Scholars believe that they may have been united in the rite of adelphopoiesis (brother-making), a kind of early Christian same-sex marriage.
http://blog.gaycatholicpriests.org/2011/10/gay-saints-and-lovers-sergius-and-bacchus/
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 14:54 (twelve years ago)
Still no HBO miniseries on pornocracy :(
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:59 (eleven years ago)
My priest relative-by-marriage concelebrated a Vatican Mass with Francis a few weeks ago. I guess he might be a bishop someday if he wants that.
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:02 (eleven years ago)
Junipero Serra as a saint, si o no?
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 19:37 (ten years ago)
I leave such matters to my lawyers.
― Aimless, Thursday, 24 September 2015 04:02 (ten years ago)
it was bound to happen despite most evidence being that he's a shit. disappointed that Francis did that but if I agreed with absolutely everything Francis said and did it would be wrong.
― akm, Thursday, 24 September 2015 13:47 (ten years ago)
https://twitter.com/mcmoynihan/status/646686363732066304
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:22 (ten years ago)
The Rev. John McNeill, an openly gay Roman Catholic priest who, from the 1970s onward, publicly pressed the church to welcome gay men and lesbians — and who was expelled from his order as a result — died on Tuesday in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. He was 90.
His death was announced by DignityUSA, an organization that supports gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Catholics. Father McNeill had helped found its New York chapter in 1972.
A Jesuit who was ordained in 1959, Father McNeill was known in the decades that followed as an author, activist and psychotherapist specializing in the needs of gay clients. He first came to wide, explosive attention in 1976 with the publication of his book “The Church and the Homosexual.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/nyregion/john-mcneill-priest-who-pushed-catholic-church-to-welcome-gays-dies-at-90.html
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2015 13:30 (ten years ago)
RIP
― akm, Saturday, 26 September 2015 16:36 (ten years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/us/pope-francis-archbishop-joseph-tobin-newark-archdiocese.html
this seems like a positive development
― k3vin k., Monday, 7 November 2016 20:01 (nine years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd54HzNI_Rk
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:21 (eight years ago)
As always, the main cultural signifier here isn't religion so much as nationality, class and coming from a family that shoves you in front of a set that resembles a tidied up Rosemary's baby in order to answer questions about your sexual lack of history
― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:37 (eight years ago)
haven't seen rosemary's baby
but yes, catholicism is definitely tied to local culture (i'm not sure i'd say nationality)
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:46 (eight years ago)
Family first, then social circle then community then school then nationality
Church can fit in p much anywhere there depending on the severity of the infectiom
― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:50 (eight years ago)