EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

Don't dispute the first point at all. The second one, I don't know yet--I still say it's early. But I wasn't arguing either--just the one very narrow point about whether Ryan was, in Klein's words, a skilled politician. Having said that, now that I go back and look at the actual column, I do see that Klein wasn't referring to Ryan's skill at winning elections, but rather his skill at working himself into the VP slot. So I can see lagoon's argument better--he's saying Ryan's only there because the Democrats wanted him there, not because of any special skill. Fair enough--not sure I agree with that, either, but at least it makes sense to me (whereas the Republican-lean stuff didn't).

right, it's possible he's a great VP that doesn't matter

woah hold up, Tippecanoe AND Tyler too??!??!?!

haha

right, it's possible he's a great VP that doesn't matter

― ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:53 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its much more likely that hes a terrible vp that doesnt matter tho

I don't what a good veep is. Thomas Marshall?

i just mean campaign wise

btw whats up w/all these prog rock pieces by dave weigel, what an utterly terrifying concept

idk if you could engineer a more perfect link i will never click

what constitutes a 'skilled politician' in the gop today?

Ezra Klein ‏@ezraklein
"Jethro Tull recorded not one but two albums that consisted of single, 40-minute songs. And they both went platinum." http://t.co/H6K1m5bW

oh god its spreading

Jethro Tull was a skilled progressive rock band; I have some numbers concerning their tricky 5/8 time signatures to back this up.

http://www.cjr.org/feature/boy_in_bubble.php?page=all

just read the matt yglesias reddit ama kill me

i haven't enjoyed reading him in years. totally humorless + wonky.

http://wonkwank.tumblr.com/

tumblr is p dumb

October 2, 2012

In general, I like the direction Romney is going in here. Capping deductions seems more achievable than picking through them one by one
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) October 2, 2012

oh man what a crazy right-wing argument ezra klein is making, somebody get out the tumblrs

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/ezra-klein-in-line-to-replace-ed-schultz.html

this seems like...a bad idea...

I like Klein a lot as a writer. I've only seen him on TV for about 5 minutes, filling in for Maddow and seemingly mimicking her cadence.

I like Ezra on TV.

he is really bad on tv, can barely talk, of course this could describe chris hayes too, wonder if matt is jealous

matt is too ugly for tv and even he must realize this

aw

Klein needs TV lessons.

get w/an elocution coach

i'd rather msnbc got rid of lawrence o'donnell than ed schultz

shultz brings a good old school vibe to the proceedings imho

yglesias could do lockup raw

http://www.vice.com/read/paul-ryan-what-stupid-people-think-a-smart-guy-sounds-like/

ostensibly about paul ryan but mostly about ezra klein & matt yglesias

Yglesias is a total idiot when it comes to school "reform".

yglesias has probably made good points here and there but god he's insufferable in general.

By comparison, the Republican impulse to close ranks and enforce ideological conformity around litmus tests and shore up their own social base seems awfully sophisticated. Big policy changes, after all, require mobilized and militant political actors.

the GOP hasn't achieved any big domestic policy changes in decades and its awfully sophisticated decision to close ranks has lost it countless elections, is responsible for the slow death of the party itself.

Yglesias seems like he'll turn into David Brooks as he ages.

surely Ezra Klein would

article is pretty dumb

left-wing people who don't operate as total ideologues said something less than 100% uncritical about public sector unions, scandal

xp Klein fights the liberal fight with some passion at least. Yglesias/Brooks are dry, remote, and see THE DATA only for the trends and not the underlying fomenting morass — pure, unadulterated technocrats. I haven't read much Klein in a long while though, only here and there.

i'd rather msnbc got rid of lawrence o'donnell than ed schultz

― goole, Monday, November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

shultz brings a good old school vibe to the proceedings imho

― lag∞n, Monday, November 12, 2012 10:37 AM (1 week ago)

ha really? i much preferred ratigan as the "angry guy who yells"

wtf comparing yglesias to brooks, gtfo

sorry, chief. i'll leave.

left-wing people who don't operate as total ideologues said something less than 100% uncritical about public sector unions, scandal

― iatee, Monday, November 19, 2012 7:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh this is a p bad mischaracterization, they point wasn't that it was 100% uncritical but that it was misrepresented union's actual goals/popular support

they didn't say anything about the overwhelming (47%?) popular support? and whether the union's goals are $ or fighting reforms that doesn't really contradict what yglesias said about them. this is a 'gotcha' w/ no 'gotcha'.

lol @ the idea that brooks traffics in 'data', is a 'technocrat' - i see this and i think the person who thinks this never passed a science or math class after the third grade and/or is a gop congressman serving on the house science, space, & technology committee.

Brooks is Emperor Epistemic Closure.

i'd rather msnbc got rid of lawrence o'donnell than ed schultz

― goole, Monday, November 12, 2012 10:36 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

shultz brings a good old school vibe to the proceedings imho

― lag∞n, Monday, November 12, 2012 10:37 AM (1 week ago)

ha really? i much preferred ratigan as the "angry guy who yells"

yeah i kinda miss Ratigan. what's he doing now?

i originally had moderate hopes for O'Donnel but really can't stand him now. i'd p much rather watch that cock Olbermann

tbf i have watched all of these shows like two times

I just got cable and already the only person I can stand is Chris Hayes.

hayes is p otm but he is sooo bad at talking on the tv

like you listen to him and then realize you have absorbed absolutely nothing hes said, hes not connecting the words and meaning or something