2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

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Just google search 'mccain hagee donohue.' You'll find more than you'll want to know.

whoa mccain couldve stepped in something here

Donohue was particularly insistent that McCain's behavior would severely harm his standing with Catholic voters -- the group of voters which Karl Rove maintains is the key group for enabling the GOP to win: "This thing seems to be to be blowing up in his face. McCain has stepped in it big time." And Donohue further vowed:

He's not going to get away with this with the Catholic community. . . . We're going to get this out to the Catholic community and Catholic press around the country. . . . We're going to ride this out and see how far he wants to talk about this.

For Catholics, McCain's association with someone like Hagee is simply intolerable: "At that point, Catholics cannot join with evangelicals. To the extent you're going to insult my religion, all bets are off."

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this the guy - nice poster buddy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q

Keep in mind Donohue's a grandstanding blowhard to the nth degree; still, Hagee is his own piece of work.

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haha see shit like this makes me glad McCain is the Republican nominee. He can't go a week without sticking his foot in his mouth/pissing off somebody

so polls have obama up in texas and w/in margin of error in ohio

there are apparently huge numbers of early voters on both states - not sure who this is going to help more, but i do know that the obama camp has really been pushing that (i imagine clinton's camp has been doing the same)

*in both states

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Bush... puppy... wire?

re the whole McCain-Obama Iraq flap -- isn't Al Qaeda in Iraq just a copycat instead of a franchise outlet, like a new Ray's Pizza in NYC?

haha, that's the best analogy for it I've ever heard Morbs

what constitutes "Al Qaeda" is highly debatable. If you include people who passed through Bin Laden's training camps in Afghanistan in the 90s and swore an oath to him, yeah there are probably some of those guys in Iraq. But the whole point of Al Qaeda's organizational structure is decentralization, so its unlikely anyone's taking direct orders from Bin Laden. Bin Laden's usual strategy is to give a trainee his blessing and a bunch of money (which was the case with Zarqawi), but there usually isn't a direct line of command in the traditional sense. Also Bin Laden's largely out of money at this point.

to expand on that people always all lol every pizza place in new york is named rays - when really its a pretty small percentage

famous original al qaeda

okay that Hagee video is extremely lolworthy

"The Catholic Church is going be devoured by a 1920s socialite sitting on the back of a cheetah. Got it."

lol @ new clinton expectations game:

To: Interested Parties

From: The Clinton Campaign

Date: Friday, February 29, 2008

RE: Obama Must-Wins

The media has anointed Barack Obama the presumptive nominee and he's playing the part.

With an eleven state winning streak coming out of February, Senator Obama is riding a surge of momentum that has enabled him to pour unprecedented resources into Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont.

The Obama campaign and its allies are outspending us two to one in paid media and have sent more staff into the March 4 states. In fact, when all is totaled, Senator Obama and his allies have outspent Senator Clinton by a margin of $18.4 million to $9.2 million on advertising in the four states that are voting next Tuesday.

Senator Obama has campaigned hard in these states. He has spent time meeting editorial boards, courting endorsers, holding rallies, and - of course - making speeches.

If he cannot win all of these states with all this effort, there's a problem.

Should Senator Obama fail to score decisive victories with all of the resources and effort he is bringing to bear, the message will be clear:

Democrats, the majority of whom have favored Hillary in the primary contests held to date, have their doubts about Senator Obama and are having second thoughts about him as a prospective standard-bearer.

If he cannot win all of these states with all this effort, there's a problem.

i.e. if obama doesn't win rhode island, this raises serious questions about his candidacy

right

"al-qaeda classic"

(i guess that would be the mujahadeen in afghanistan)

surely to be followed tuesday night by we won ohio and rhode island dont u see we have the mo now! and thursday morning senator obama ran a great campaign and i look forward to supporting him in the general election

i have no idea if he's going to win ohio (or texas for that matter, polls are tight despite his lead), but is clinton seriously gonna try to get mileage merely if there's an obama non-sweep or tight victories?

surely to be followed tuesday night by we won ohio and rhode island dont u see we have the mo now! and thursday morning senator obama ran a great campaign and i look forward to supporting him in the general election

haha

al qaedeep dish

is clinton seriously gonna try to get mileage merely if there's an obama non-sweep or tight victories?

i don't think her plan is to look as bad as possible so yeah

Democrats, the majority of whom have favored Hillary in the primary contests held to date

lol again w/the caucuses do not count

In New Brunswick there were two unaffiliated chicken carry-outs a block apart called "Picken Chicken."

One of them, angered by the copycatting, had rechristened itself "The Original Picken Chicken"

Democrats, the majority of whom have favored Hillary in the primary contests held to date, have their doubts about Senator Obama and are having second thoughts about him as a prospective standard-bearer.

sounding like the Huckabee campaign here

Hillary needs to go on Tyra.

but she cant play bass :(

So the logic is basically "Obama doesn't have 100% of democrat support, so the candidate with even less support should win"

I take that back -- everyone needs to appear on Tyra.

i don't know where else to post this

http://www.muslimgirlworld.com/

(sfw)

How great would McCain on Tyra be?

i'd love for tyra to say something and he'd laugh his crunchy old geezer laugh and she'd stare at him and say "that wasn't a joke"

obama responds to the new scaaary hillary ads http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_respnds_i_will_never_use.php

its really sort of shocking and refreshing to see what it looks like when a democrat has enough confidence in their convictions to stand up to this kind of bullshit

I said that a war in Iraq would be unwise. It cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars. I said that it would distract us from the real threat that we face, and that we should take the fight to al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

There's your "Democrat war" for the next 4 years, changemakers.

hey one war better than two right!

There's your "Democrat war" for the next 4 years, changemakers.

you would rather not get bin laden?

i.e. I'm all for going after people that actually hit the U.S.

I'm sure occupying Pakistan and Afghanistan can turn into a black hole, too. Obama's "war on terror" figures to be just as endless.

(and, of course, he's not withdrawing from Iraq)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70emIFxETs

^ lol @ rating

killing real actual alQ dudes is a good thing, imo. babysitting a civil war and paying $200bn+ a year for the privilege is not.

any 'nation building' project in afganistan is probably just as doomed long term as trying to remake iraq

xp "of course"

The Hillary gameplan is to claim victory if she wins Ohio - which she's probably gonna do, by a small margin - and momentum if she wins Texas too.

lol at max

xp: bet, gff?

I think "actual alQ dudes" are frequently going to be identified the way "Cong" were in Vietnam -- if they're dead, they're Cong!