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What's the general quality/stability of the nightlies, Jon? (I'm not with my Mac atm)

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

tissp, they seem very very good and there's some good safari dom/js debugging stuff in it

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

WriteRoom:

http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/product/writeroom

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

guess what's back

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

yay canada

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

The search function thanks you. Google searchign for "computer program" ain't fun.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

thanku stevem

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

So, people who switched off spotlight because it uses too many resources - what do you do when you want to locate a file that you've misplaced?

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

haven't switched it off, but i probably should and then i'd get by with the locate command in terminal, no?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 13 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

or use quicksilver?
which, granted, is a slight resource drain. but i don't really see how anyone lives without it.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 13 January 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps I am not alive!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 13 January 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I tried quicksilver once. I am planning to try it again now I've got a man-sized 1GB of RAM.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 13 January 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

quicksilver doesn't take anywhere near as much ram as spotlight

― friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

well, i'm sure that apple will steal the idea and build it into the next version of os x and then it will take up tons of ram

― friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

ok i will try swapping spotlight for quicksilver.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

and here i thought it was quicksilver that was slowing everything down. how do i unshot spotlight?

― underwater ghost ship picture (skowly), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

srsly, dudes, is there an easy way to disable spotlight?

― underwater ghost ship picture (skowly), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

we don't know

― friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

love WriteRoom, thanks.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tuaw.com/2005/05/13/tiger-tips-hate-spotlight-turn-it-off/

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:17 (nineteen years ago)

so I downloaded spotless, which is an easy way to turn spotlight on and off, and/or turn indexing fully off. Great. I also downloaded easyfind, which is an easy and fast search to replace spotless...hell, I even put it's icon in the toolbar where the search field used to be because that's where I go to search!

Only problem for me? I can't search in mac mail now, which I used a lot.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 14 January 2007 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit

haha, ctrl-alt-apple-8!!!

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

ctrl-alt-apple-8

my mom uses that all the time, along with alt-apple-8 (which zooms in and out) -- it's designed for people with poor eyesight

― underwater ghost ship picture (skowly), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

With Tiger, you can also hold down ctrl and use the scrollwheel to zoom in and out, I recently discovered.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

For what's it worth, WebKit is like a billion times faster than Camino.

― underwater ghost ship picture (skowly), Sunday, 14 January 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Only problem for me? I can't search in mac mail now, which I used a lot.

yep, not being able to do this = suckage. i'll have to stick with spotlight for now.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 14 January 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

There's some quicksilver Mail.app plug in. Does that do the trick?

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 14 January 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, cntl-scrollwheel is brilliant!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 14 January 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://hmatt.com/mac/macbookfreeware.html

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 14 January 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've never used quicksilver...thinking about it but I'm really trying to lighten things up here. I have a first generation Mac G5 single processor, from when they were first released. I have 1 gig of RAM. It used to be speedy but by now it's terrible. I know I've bloated up with stuff, but I also try to work with all the extras off....I don't complain about speed when I've got Slimserver and all this stuff running. I know I need more RAM and soon as I can afford it, I'm gonna max it out as much as I can, but I'm looking for software solutions.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 14 January 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

Have you, you know, done the thing with the thing? Disk permissions?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I have a first generation Mac G5 single processor, from when they were first released. I have 1 gig of RAM

??!

i've got a G4 powerbook with 768MB and stuff zooms. the only thing that occasionally fails to zoom is firefox, which can occasionally get sticky, but i can forgive it.

what does your process viewer thing (can't remember the name of the app, and am at work using OS FUCKING 9 IN AN OLD-SKOOL STYLEE, so can't check) say is causing the problem?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

stuff is generally fast...but I do a lot of heavy graphics stuff...hi-res photoshop and whatnot.

but are you using Tiger? even basic desktop stuff gets slow...but that's often when I've had Photoshop and other memory intensive programs active.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

but there could be any number of things messing me up, for instance for Font Management I use a free program from Linotype...maybe it's buggy, I dunno.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

i'm using 10.4.8 - but no, i don't do any intensive image-processing stuff.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

quicksilver mail plugin + address book plugin = soooo amazing.

I set it up so that I can select a file, launch quicksilver, press s (for send) and then type 2 letters of the person's name from my address book and it sends them the file, without even starting mail.app

also, get the web search plugin, i think it's called. It has like 350 built in websites, so you do like quicksilver -> imdb -> "whatever" and it does it.

― five roses (Elliot), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

ever since like, the last five builds, quicksilver indexes my drive ad infinitum. which is sad, because I love the app and it won't work.

― don weiner (don weiner), Sunday, 14 January 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Dan my checklist is:

1) Make sure that more than 10% of all hard drive space is free
2) Look at Activity Monitor and kill the stuff I installed like three months ago that I forgot about
3) Run Disk Utility and repair disk permissions
4) Restart

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 14 January 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard good things about Onyx to clean shit up, but I haven't used it, so I can't give any detail as to what it does exactly.

― five roses (Elliot), Sunday, 14 January 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah it does what it says. There are lots of programs like that but I can't tell they do much that OS X doesn't just do all by itself.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 14 January 2007 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone know of a way to prevent sleep when you close the lid of a portable? There's a program called InsomniaX which doesn't work with 10.4.8, and another called Sleepless, which only works halfway.

― def zep (calstars), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that since most Mac laptops dissipate heat through their keyboards, keeping them awake while closed would be a bad idea.

― max (maxreax), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

grr and realizing that quicksilver won't search mail anyway.

i guess the other solution is to enable spotlight and restrict it from indexing anything but my email. email searching totally shouldn't have to be this complicated. back in terminal days when i had a whole buncha folders and stuff i could just grep thru it all like presto.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

could always switch to thunderbird i guess. just want a low memory footprint and basic filtering and searching... actually i really miss just using a nice setup of mutt now that i think about it.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

this is awesome:

http://harnly.net/software/letterbox/

much better way to view messages in mail. You see more emails and more of the selected email.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

looking at my activity monitor...

why does Safari take 342 meg of memory and 963 megs of virtual?

what is Kernel Task?

I look at the activity monitor but I don'd know what most of it is/means!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

wow, letterbox is awesome! thanks a load for that.

i guess i need to try to get myself to obey tracer's 10% rule - my bittorrent addiction means i tend to have about 300 megs free on a 100 gig drive, and i'm sure that's not doing me any good.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 15 January 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

Haha yeah toby that's a great way to make an expensive computer feel like it's 10 years old. It's crazy what a difference it makes. I think it's because virtual memory - "swap" space on your hard drive, essentially - is so built in to the way OS X operates that it thrashes interminably if it doesn't have the breathing room it needs.

Dan, I dunno why Safari takes up so much memory. You'll find that if you quit Safari and restart it, it's much nicer. Over time it develops this gargantuan appetite for RAM. Kernel Task is the central, core OS task, I believe. I read somewhere that if you've got a gig of memory and stuff is eating up a bunch of memory, that's OK, because you want your computer to actually USE all the memory available to it, rather than just letting it go to waste - i.e. if you only have Mail and Safari running, you could expect each of them to be using far more RAM than they would if other programs were open, too. So I don't know - it's hard to assess when it's a moving target.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

There are lots of programs like that but I can't tell they do much that OS X doesn't just do all by itself.

hmmm. X only runs its maintenance scripts if it happens to be switched on at 3am (or whenever), and they're not a patch on some of the deep cleaning onyx can do. sure, you can do all of it from the command line too, but why bother? onyx rocks.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

why does Safari take 342 meg of memory and 963 megs of virtual?

!!? What Tracer says is true about RAM usage creeping up with time but no matter how long I've had it running, I've never had it get up to anything like those figures. I use Opera more than Safari, but mostly it only uses about a tenth of what you're reporting (and when it's freshly launched it only grabs 13MB and 132MB virtual.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

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