Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time?

shit put out by a bunch of morons to make a quick buck off a young nubile face is ... odd

I thought it was usually more of an obsession with the whole producer/songwriter as it applied to these teenpop icons with a little too much navelgazing. All in all, about as creepy as Phil Spector.

or you're lex and you just have a genuine love of the music and it's very much in character

not to rehash old forgotten battles but i think ppl like what they like and sometimes you can have an interesting conversation by asking them why they like a particular thing, but you will never have an interesting conversation by making up unfavorable reasons for why they like it

there was some good writing about those artists in those threads, and as verbose as it could be, literally no one would have batted an eyelid if the subjects had been in any other genre

idk why it's accepted that I have a "genuine love of the music" but not them

this massively commercially successful music that presumably millions of people who bought it genuinely love

I don't consider it at all odd that really really old people love artists as great as Ashlee Simpson

it is totally odd, as the post upthread about hearing Ashlee at the health club indicates. Honestly, most people think anyone over the age of 40 who is interested in current pop music is a social outlier/oddity. This is just a fact of demographics afaict.

xp

lex, I meant more that you do a lot less beard-stroking and critical theory shenanigans and your enthusiasm is usually just about the actual sound of the song, not some adherence to a pet theory. I really respect that, even if I can't relate that well.

haha i do not believe for one second that jaymc needed to check

I did! In fact, half the time when I post something that occasions a "lol .xls" joke, it's just because I've bothered to search for it, not because I actually remember. (I think I was a fairly irregular poster on the teenpop threads, anyway.)

fwiw i think f.k. legit loved the sound of the songs he was writing about

that made it sound like I believe in such a divide, which I really don't

(derails rockist/popist bullshit with a hundred pasted wigglepanda images)

but you will never have an interesting conversation by making up unfavorable reasons for why they like it

yeah and that's why I watch such threads from afar, for the most part. I dunno what people's reasons are. I can guess, but then eh I don't really care when you get right down to it. But, personally, In terms of how much teenpop dominates the discourse on ILM, I'm glad it's sort of receded from the forefront since those heady days lol.

xp

not pedos, but amateur sociologists and "cultural observers". which is only slightly less heinous.

there was beard-stroking but i don't remember much critical theory on the teenpop threads THANK CHRIST, god, the minute anyone namedrops adorno or whoever in a music discussion it becomes anathema to me

i remember way back he wrote something on myspace about how these were generally very young artists w/ identities that were still in flux who seemed like they were trying to figure themselves out as artists, and that he responded to that uncertainty and displacement. nb ur mileage may vary on whether you think these artists were the most productive ways to explore those ideas/feelings, or whether an adult should be dealing with those feelings at all (i gotta imagine it's a pretty universal concern), but it was very easy to assume the comment was intended sincerely.

In terms of how much teenpop dominates the discourse on ILM, I'm glad it's sort of receded from the forefront since those heady days lol.

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fwiw i think f.k. legit loved the sound of the songs he was writing about

Sure. I also think he loved songs that he could analyze, and teenpop was as good fodder for that as Dylan and the New York Dolls.

there was beard-stroking but i don't remember much critical theory on the teenpop threads THANK CHRIST, god, the minute anyone namedrops adorno or whoever in a music discussion it becomes anathema to me

― lex pretend, Thursday, August 9, 2012 3:31 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thank you for being a lex

I know this is just dude-bro schteez but yes. It's true. Women are so inherently gross - and ohmigod especially the teenage ones - and the music they like and/or make - are so inherently deplorable that it is literally inconceivable to the dude-bro mind that an actual man might pay attention to, or be interested in the aesthetic output of these disgusting deplorable creatures, for any reason other than that he wants to fuck them. Because teengirls are so gross and unworthy of serious attention that there is no other reason at all to listen to them. That is the only reason some of you guys can think of to pay attention to girls at all. Cause you might want to fuck them. You've made your point about how Noize Borad was a feminist paradise compared to ILM loud and clear there.

uh are you talking to me?

yeah, for sure! that's why i listened to all that stuff. i liked talking to him about music and that was the music he wanted to talk about. if he was all about korean pop then, i would've gotten into it too. being analyzable is as good a reason as any to talk about partic music xxxp

latham green misses u

xps

haha, i was about to say

when the teenpop being discussed was watered-down mass market versions of the moody synth-driven goth/industrial music I already liked (see: Kerli), those discussions were fun

when the teenpop being discussed was terrible non-entity horseshit made by racists (see: Paris Hilton), I just wanted to smack everyone involved for liking vacuous blondes more than black people

this was the main reason why I stopped following ILM teenpop threads

did the cheesecake factory just criticizing people for sexualizing musical artists

not to interrupt the blow-up but pretty sure andrew was referring to the noize board having girls.

btw bieber is teenpop and I don't really want to sex him much

somethin for th aldies - gota keep it hood - where we at

this is the kinda ilx thread where ppl are going to keep making slightly more and more provocative claims playing like clusterfuck chicken until someone doesn't swerve in time and it ends up on clusterfuck watch thread nightly news

I love all the aldies.

just so any bystanders kno to leave now, there are no innocents in an ilx clusterfuck.

clusterfuck chicken

you're looking for that huckabee/chik-fil-a thread

how many cans of beer do you shove in the carcass before cooking clusterfuck chicken?

my posts were gender neutral so I can't tell if that was directed at me or not

xp

I hate my coworkers

the minute anyone namedrops adorno or whoever in a music discussion it becomes anathema to me

― lex pretend, Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hope that this is because you've read Adorno's music criticism and found it lacking, rather than some knee-jerk anti-continental stance with little to back it up.

my revive, my beautiful revive

Adorno is the best track on the new Miguel.

groan!

fwiw I am fully cognizant of the baggage I bring to this discussion, which is why I usually don't have it

some things never change over time doctor casino!

Doctor C, I'm trying to drive you back into the arms of Professor X. I'm with Shakey - can't wait for the blog revival.

xp - I understand the noize board had some girls, as long as they were willing to act like boys. I was correcting the hilarious idea that ILM was a sausagefest until the noize kids came along.

emil.y - i assume it's bc it mostly goes over his head + he finds it boring. i'm sure lex is not evaluating adorno on intellectual/philosophical merits

as long as they were willing to act like boys

WTF does this mean?

joe adorno penn state

EZ - it'll happen, it'll happen! should try and talk to David today about it, when i finish this next batch of photos for flickr...

lol Andrew, you realize you're talking about a group of IRL friends/roommates right

I understand ILM had some men, as long as they were willing to act like effete britishers

I understand the noize board had some girls, as long as they were willing to act like boys.

this is super super wrong btw