london restaurants

should try and get the Death or Glroy from Tring Brewery. Real nice.

Any recs for me? Anna's goth luncheon? I like the more veg and Asian side of the spectrum.
How is Cafe Grove? Has anyone tried Viet Hoa? What about Goddards Ye Olde Pie Shop?

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:17 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what is ANNA'S GOTH LUNCHEON?!

i have been to dabbous TWICE, brilliant

Really? I guess I might agree if you meant by volume and included all the nasty chemical lager / ropey Greene King ale etc etc - but I think it's still pretty easy to get a decent pint, and pretty hard to get a genuinely exceptional one. My standards may be lower than yours, though.

― Tim, Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:35 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Yeah, I'm slightly wary of being pompous about alcohol - generally the price/alcohol ratio is an important enough consideration to make other pronouncements seem ancillary.

However, think the standard of most London pubs is more or less dire. Lines aren't cleaned frequently enough for the use they get. Bitter sits in the barrels for too long. Glasses are warm or dirty. Premium lager tends to be fine, but that's what it's there for - sure i taste watering down - still! - in some pubs. I have to defend Greene King as well! There's free house pub that serves Greene King near me and it tastes great! Like Bass and Adnams it has to be kept well: cool not cold, plus the factors mentioned above. Pride's more resilient, as is appropriate/necessary for a London beer.

Pubs in general are often either dirty (sticky tables, smell of rancid, vinegary beer, or ill-cleaned toilets) or over clean (tables wiped down with disinfectant before 11pm).

Service can be astonishingly poor, not out of malice or indifference, but inexperience. You'll often see a bar of five staff serve people more slowly than a similarly busy bar with just two experienced bar servers.

Completely agree with Matt DC's comments about craft beer. Microbrewery stuff is usually terrible - totally bland and tasteless (there are v good exceptions). Craft beers seem to be attempting a combination of strength and hoppiness that becomes unpleasant in surfeit. Beer isn't like wine, and tasting doesn't interest me one whit; I want something that sustains the convivial course of an evening. I like to find somewhere good and stay there all night if possible.

I'm sure I had some clause in there about personal preference being all important when it comes to drink, and equally sure that on ilx such clauses are pointless and redundant.

WHERE CAN I GET SOME KEDGEREE?

I cannot express my excitement to eat food in London

have been to dabbous TWICE, brilliant

― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 2 August 2012 18:34 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

braaaaaaaggiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn

WHAT IS DABBOUS

ok that looks kinda too STARK for me.

I make a v decent kedgeree fwiw. Also just locked my door.

I made good kedgeree yesterday!

i make a pretty good kedgeree!

homo ii, you are... in london? about to visit?

ok that looks kinda too STARK for me.

― homosexual II, Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ my concern

Microbrewery stuff is usually terrible - totally bland and tasteless (there are v good exceptions).

this seems to be kind of the opposite of most ppl's complaints?? i.e overhopped /= tasteless

what's the waiting list situation at dabbous? couple of weeks? a month in advance? coming down at the end of sept to see juliet mutherfkn binoche in miss julie at the barbican.

like 3 months i think? maybe more? my friend who just wanted to go for lunch had to wait a couple of months so...

(its ridiculous)

oh ffs. well, maybe i'll put my name down and hope for a cancellation around those days i'm there. thanks, js.

will slip in a juliet binoche reference when i phone. that's bound to get me bumped up the list.

this seems to be kind of the opposite of most ppl's complaints?? i.e overhopped /= tasteless

― just sayin, Thursday, August 2, 2012 11:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I think in my head I separate out microbreweries (usually based in pubs) from craft beer makers, smaller breweries, or sometimes larger breweries making speciality beers. Not sure this is at all right tho and is more probably a reflection of my drinking habits - in pubs I'll steer clear of heavily flavoured, strong beer in favour of session beers - those are the ones that tend be tastless (and not in the Holt's sense of being an extraordinarily spare or spartan bitter). I tend to notice craft beers when they're aggregated together in the sort of place that does 1/3 pint tasting glasses. Nothing against them particularly, but as I say it doesn't suit my drinking habits.

my cornershop has what i took at first to be an extraordinary selection of, i dunno, microbrews? lots of Badger beers and others, bottles named things like Wytchfynder or Tanglefoot and they all appear to taste, after extensive research, exactly the same

this is way Off Topic now though

There are some fearsomely individual (and vile imo) Badger beers out there.

^otm. Not sure Badger counts as a microbrewery, but a brewery proper. I was thinking more of the ones based in pubs. A good example that does good beer (and is a good pub generally I think) is the The Southampton Arms on Highgate Road. And in an attempt to get it a bit more on topic - the roast pork rolls are very tasty bar food.

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Yes, Badger is digusting.

I love Golden Glory and Golden Champion and you are just RONG.

haha yes all names like that, Firkin's Rest, Spinning Jenny, Tawny Tiger, all exactly the same sweetish drink

The Southampton Arms doesn't brew it's own beer as far as I know, could be wrong about that. I think they have a policy of only stocking beer from little independent breweries (microbreweries if you will).

I agree that brewpubs generally serve mediocre beer.

I don't agree that the service in pubs is generally bad (and I've been watching very closely for the last couple of years for work reasons) though it surely can be.

Tracer, Golden Glory only tastes like (say) Hobgoblin in so far as they are both beers. Very different indeed IMO. And I love some Badger beers fwiw, less so others.

(though yes a lot of those beers are rather samey, you just picked a bad example with the Badgers)

One of the most amazing beers I ever had was a Badger beer, but I had it up in Northampton and have long since forgotten the name.

I'm not a big fan of Hobgoblin - wish they put as much care into their beers as they did their labels and marketing, but I'll drink it over some seltzerwater lager any day. I can understand your frustration with the whole little brewery schtick if that's your only experience, silly labels, punning names etc. But it's not all like that.

I like Badger. Hobgoblin isn't very nice and their marketing is ugly, offputting and smug.

I suppose my ideal for London breweries is someone like Meantime or Camden who do a range of different things pretty well. Which reminds me to go back to the Old Brewery in Greenwich once the Olympic madness has died down.

Also back on topic they served me a foie gras sausage roll which I only ordered due to boggling at its ridiculous ostentation but it was excellent.

Meantime were only able to do what they did because they were making Sainsbury's 'taste the difference' beer on the side, and a friend of mine that's been made redundant by them in the past 12 months has some strong opinions on their employment policies (and, before you ask, had voiced them for a couple of years before being made redundant).

"Do what they did" = brew decent beer, grow quite fast?

I can believe their employment practices leave something to be desired (true of many small businesses tbh, not an excuse but an observation) but it was never a secret that they were brewing "taste the difference" beer, and to me it always seemed like a smart move for a small brewery to find a large outlet for their beer. Doesn't seem a bad thing in and of itself.

(If they can keep the quality high, of course, which they generally do, though I'm not a big fan of everything they brew.)

Yeah, I'm not disputing that - I guess the point I'm trying to make is that they're way, way beyond the craft brew market having bulk produced for a supermarket and craft brew/microbrew was where this discussion started.

Was interested to also see Wychwood/Hobgoblin mentioned - their pub chain (one of which used to be my local) is one of the worst examples or running a business I've ever seen.

I think it's nice many pubs in london seem to have these meantime/camden beers around. Not that i'm particularly keen on the stuff but good to not always be drinking kronenbourg or san miguel or whatever. Not that i'm particularly opposed to the stuff.

You're just not particular, Ken?

not particularly particular, no.

although i haven't yet worked out what to drink at rowan's now the bottles of lech has gone up to £4 a bottle from £3.60.

i think options are coors or becks vier.

How much are the pints at Rowans? I remember them being fairly reasonable in the past.

The price has just changed but I think they're £3.50 or so for a pint. It used to be really cheap when we first went like 10 years ago (£1.60 as i remember - we discussed the relative cost of the £1 entry fee back then compare with cheap beer) it's gone up quite a bit over the past 2 years but I think that's partly the Tories' fault.

Guinness is £3.60 I think now (up from £3.50). I mean the cost is not much but since I go there and neck 3 or 4 lechs every tuesday for the league the amount does add up!

bowling league.. not drinking league

Beeeeargh.

Not a restaurant but had to restrain myself from buying ready-marinated/grill at home chicken saffron kebabs from Phoenicia in Kentish Town. *drools* Damn, I love that shop.

it's weirdly expensive tho? i mean, i shop there (when i'm in town) but so much of their grocery stuff can be found cheaper just down the road in archway.

their baklava is pretty damn nice, mind.

After more than a week of eating crap German food, I am feeling a lot more positive about London. Everything here is so bland, apart from an occasional kebab or pizza.

I quite fancy eating at the top of the Heron Tower at 2am...

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