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Newly minted doctors in the U.S. typicaly don't get even the 25 hours of nutrition training recommended by the National Academy of Sciences, and what they do get is focused on acute deficiency syndromes. Ie, any curious layperson can learn more about nutrition than their physician's formal training with only a few weeks of study, much as any curious layperson can learn more about their particular disease than non-specialist physician might know with modest effort.

So its not terribly surprising that few people with potentially dairy related disorders don't receive the simple advice of trying a dairy-free diet for a few weeks.

This video lecture by John McDougall runs a bit long, but its a nice introduction to some of the health issues associated with dairy consumption. Nutritionfacts.org has 50+ better referenced short videos on current/recent research related to dairy.

my mom works at a hospital (not as a doctor) but hangs out with doctor friends. when she told them she had stopped drinking milk on my advice they looked at her as if she had a third eye

how many eyes does she have?

Ahem. ^^ ... few people with potentially dairy related disorders receive the simple advice ...

two, actually

I took a science-oriented nutrition 101 course when I was in community college. It met the criteria for one of my science credits, along with bio 101. When I tried to transfer that course to another school, I received a reply to the effect of "this institution does not accept transfers of weight-loss or physical education classes for course credit".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/

lots of nn relevant stuff

at the suggestion of a coworker (who is very sarcastic and said "it changed my life") i read why we get fat by gary taubes. it says eat less carbs. now i don't know what to eat for breakfast because i am not eating bacon and eggs every day. really i am eating bacon on no days. guess i'll keep eating carbs. i need to buy a new blender so i can make kale drinks.

I'm dubious that "its the carbs". One need only look at early photography to recognize that a 50%-70% starch diet wasn't causing much obesity (the 19th century American diet was largely porridge, potatoes, whiskey, and bread). The same can be said of many developing nations.

Not the first or last time I've recommended this, but Robert.Lustig's Suger the bitter truth lecture really makes a compelling case that it's not the carbs, but the fructose.

ok

harbl why dont u eat some slow carbs in the morning like oatmeal u will feel full all morning without riding bloodsugar roller coaster

but check how u feel after???????????? but r u carb sensitive? do u digest oatmeal okay?>

nocarb mornings are easy to get used to after about a week. protein+fat has more options than bacon and eggs too dude;

also there are recipes for no grain oatmeal that are basically a mush of nuts + flax + cashew butter + almonds other nuts too pumpkin seeds. good replacement if u can't eat oats. NO GRAIN LIFESTYLE ONLY GRASS I EAT IS GRASSFED CATTLE.

this week i have been eating one container of plain 2% greek yogurt, a serving of fruit, and a small handful of walnuts. i feel like it's been a huge improvement, i wasn't telling all my coworkers it was lunchtime at 11:20 like i usually do. i was still working after they started eating lunch! i was eating uncooked oatmeal, milk, fruit, and walnuts before.

actually i didn't get so hungry on the oats but i had to eat a lot. before that i would usually have either whole grain toast and a yogurt or 10-grain cereal and being hungry way before lunch was a thing all the time. i didn't eat any grains monday or tuesday but then i had some pita bread at dinner last night after some beers. i think i can get into the no grain lifestyle though.

I read some complicated article about why a lot of ppl get so hungry so quickly after breakfast, and why it's ok to not eat breakfast, but it was to do with hormones and insulin and I don't even know if it's reliable. But it made me feel better about not being a breakfast eater.

i never eat breakfast during the work week

there's a variation on intermittent fasting that skips breakfast and pushes lunch late - so that if you have dinner by 8PM and lunch at 1PM, you're fasting 17 hours but sleeping for (presumably) almost half that.

right that brand of IF is identified with that leangains guy nowadays at least with strength conditioning messageboard people

cool program because it's just so simple to follow and you immediately remove thinkijng about feeding yourself from most of the day's thoughtprocessing. but i think a lot of what he has to say might qualify as "broscience" and most of the benefit is just hard to eat calories over maint in a small window especially on lowcarb whole foods

coconut milk, yea or nay? it's obv fatty, but my research is conflicted about whether even a reduced fat version is good/bad.

this is the wrong thread to say "it's delicious, fuck it" i guess

further research is suggesting yea

There aren't many good scientific studiess on dietary coconut milk or oil and human health. Some finds from pubmed:

Here's a fairly positive and likely biased review article, which primarily notes the antimicrobial and antioxidant benefits of coconut. But many of the reviewed articles are in vitro or for topical use, with few good human/animal dietary studies.

Coconut oil and palm oil increase HDL-C (good) cholesterol compared to lard

On the other hand:

High coconut oil diets without excess calories induce artherosclerosis in rabbits. There are actually quite a few studies in which rodent heart disease is induced by adding coconut oil to chow going back decades - it appears to be a standard experimental setup (here's another), with the experiments testing whether another nutrient can prevent deleterious effects.

Meals with coconut milk (Singaporean Nasi Lemak: rice cooked in coconut milk) are as bad for human endothelial function as an Egg McMuffin.

So, skim coconut milk may in fact be beneficial, but the fatty portion of whole coconut milk, despite the HDL elevation, appears as bad for your arteries as butter or lard.

xxxp you're talking about actual coconut milk that comes in cans and not coconut milk beverage?

Is it possible that in eating paleo-ish for a few solid months about a year ago, I set myself up to react to carbs more strongly than before? I liked eating paleo-ish, but I fell off the wagon. Before I started, I would get sugar spikes/crashes from carbs and get hungry very suddenly. Now, after the paleo-ish interlude, back on the carbs, this seems much worse. I get insanely, desperately hungry even more suddenly.

Its plausible. If you were getting most of your fuel from ketosis it would naturally upregulate all the glucose transporters in glucose starved cells.

I didn't think I was eating low-carb enough to enter ketosis (had tons of veg and fruit) but who knows, maybe I was... Or maybe I'm just eating even more carbs now than I was pre-paleo.

I've read that insulin spikes can lead to increased appetite. Maybe that's what was going on.

still not ready for full nn steez but solidly trying to eat healthy + less + better (also exercise wow)

today I learned that I like cottage cheese! mum used to eat it when she did weight watchers and ugh it was so watery and bland and slimy and gross I swore I would never eat it again

today = rice cakes & cottage cheese with some lemon pepper oh hi yum!

(i didn't know where else to post)

Cottage cheese on baked potatoes is the best (not paleo I know...)

ooh i will try that

don't eat potatoes much these days but come wintertime that might be one to try

cut up cherry tomatoes and green pepper and add it to your cottage cheese

substitute cuke for the pepper if you don't like green pepper

! will try!

prefer green pepper cooked vs raw: cukes otm tho

had free pizza for lunch, ugh

going with a smoothie and hard boiled eggs and spinach for dinner

I need to do some hardboiling of eggs tonight

damn I love hb eggs

What do you eat them with hard-boiled? I should eat more eggs for breakfast but I tend to go for soft-boiled, but then I have to have toast.

soy sauce

yeah something salty

dash of salt or soy

I like them cold, on their own

maybe a bit of salt - if they're super yummy eggs then nothing

I have trouble with the texture of the runny yolk when they're soft-boiled, it kinda skeeves me out for some reason

Tbh I slice one medium-boiled egg and spread it on one bialy and salt it. It's not paleo, but it is delicious.

soft boiled eggs are the best

I've never had a bialy. now I want one

x-post - You're not alone, VG. I can't stomach runny yolk at all. Runny yolk makes me feel sick.

Bialys are really, REALLY good. They're small, and kind of sour like sourdough, and have a more doughy/chewy texture than a bagel or bread. I scrape the mushy onions out of the middles but some people love the onions, so if that's your thing....