Larry Charles to direct Borat movie

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I'd say (in the film at least) Borat is not just a character that tries to bring up the worst in real people, he's a also someone to both identify with and to distance oneself to, someone who allows us laugh at taboo subjects, while at the same time allowing us to feel above such sentiments because were "not like him". Which I guess can be healthy, but such humor is always on the verge of simply indulging on political incorrectness for no specific reason except that, what with PC being the norm, it seems "radical". However, to credit Cohen, I think he most of the time he manages to avoid this.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, from the news articles that came out about it, it sounded like they wanted to lynch him. the film crew had to pile into the back of the ice cream truck to bug out of town as quick as they could.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

the movie was underwhelming. cohen pulled a lot of punches, became oddly polite to avoid pushing things too far (this was likely done in the editing room), which was somewhat of a relief (i have a hard time sitting through that) but also disconcerting. it was a paler version of the tv show, and i can't help but to think that the critics lauding it ("BORAT: FUNNIEST MOVIE EVER?" --actual hed) never saw the tv show in the first place, thus the shock value was intact. it also relied very heavily on obvious setups: pam anderson, dinner party, the bear, meeting the producer in la, etc. and of course it has to rely on these things, but i wanted complete immersion, not a winking dance between artifice and sitcom gag. the two funniest parts of the movie: the local tv news interview and the gypsy yard sale bit. and yet, at my screening, NO ONE laughed at these things.

i also thought the atlanta stuff was somewhat odd, especially the borat appropriating hip-hop slang thing, which was an obvious gag that felt beneath the clueless bumbling/darkest reveals shtick that made us pay attention to borat in the first place. i was also struck by how diligently cohen avoided bringing anything of race into the film (this depending on whether you view jewishness as a race or religion), especially in the frat boy scene. there was definitely some ugly shit left on the avid there.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

the two funniest parts of the movie: the local tv news interview and the gypsy yard sale bit. and yet, at my screening, NO ONE laughed at these things.

You were at the wrong screening then. (Our audience pretty much was roffling stop to start.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

there's cut scenes on YT right now, i wonder how much will be on the dvd

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Things I want on the DVD:

Cut/full versions of scenes. (Seeing how much was done with the editing will be a treat.)

Various press appearances for the film in character, including the Kazakh embassy crashing and showing up at the White House

Commentary track...in character. (If not that, then Baron-Cohen, Roach and Charles all sitting around bullshitting is fine too.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see how he 'avoided' race, he never comments or otherwise editorializes on shit like that, he lets it speak for itself.

I also don't see this as a 'paler' version of the TV show, the disappointment i felt was only in how much it was LIKE the tv show - still felt like the plot was very well integrated.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

i thought the hooker was a touch

she was in on it eventually, but whatever, imagine you're turning tricks one night in downtown atlanta and you get this call...

by the smile on her face in the final scene i'm naively assuming that they (SBC/producers) got her in touch with a life-changing sum of money...

i laughed. the running chicken gag. the wrestling scene. the wedding sack. oh dear.

beeble (beeble), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

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deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

a source VERY close to the filmmakers told me Pamela WAS in on the joke. how else would they have done that without getting sued/arrested? also, a lawyer was on set for every single take, and they had the cops called on them around 60 times.
this movie is amazing -- i can't wait to see it again!

something less threatening (heywood), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, that makes sense re: Pamela! Otherwise I figured we would have heard a huge stink about that whole thing...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

Beeble, the "hooker" was an actress.

I assume each and every one of these people must've given their consent to appear in the film, right? How on earth did they agree to that? Did the producers make them sign some agreement beforehand?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

poo. you just popped my santa claus moment - are you sure Tuomas?

i thought it was interesting that he treats all women like prostitutes except for the hooker who he gets all sweet and romantic on.

you can sign release after the event.

beeble (beeble), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think they just got them to sign really vague, all-encompassing releases, but I could be wrong.

31g (31g), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

This Slate article talks about it (some people have probably already seen it):

http://www.slate.com/id/2151865/

31g (31g), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

"The next step was the release form. The producers usually pulled it out just before the cameras rolled, at a moment of maximum bustle
...
Most of the folks contacted by NEWSWEEK admit they barely read the release."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15175836/site/newsweek/page/2/

31g (31g), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see how he 'avoided' race, he never comments or otherwise editorializes on shit like that, he lets it speak for itself.

Yeah, but he really doesn't try to fish out the racism in people like he does with antisemitism. He never asks the southerners about black people (not even in the civil war antique store), and when the frat boys talk about "minorities running this country", he stays uncharacteristically silent. I mean, if he really wanted to expose American bigotry, you'd think racism was a more obvious target than antisemitism?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that this was a funny film. My definition of a funny film is one that has at least 4 out-loud laughs in it apart from what's in the trailers. (Its shocking and disappointing that very few "comedies" have at least one). Whether it is great social commentary or satire....hmmm.

It did concern me that there were a lot of kids (10-15 yrs) at the screening I was at. Not necessarily because of the nudity or racy-ness of it all, but because of a feeling that they were misinterpretting .

I thought that the film was about backwardness (ie. apart from it being something to laugh at). Backwardness of some Central Asians, and of some Americans. The director could have found such backwardness in almost any country, but it does seem to have more of a point being filmed in the country which is the "leader of the free world". The backwardness in the USandA is less forgiveable then that of central Asia or eastern Europe.

I presume that a better (funnier?) Borat film will never be seen as I assume that many great scenes were probably excluded because of legal concerns.

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

VIEWED: MIND-BLOWN

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomos yr nuts. He doesn't have to comment on the racism, it speaks for itself.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

My definition of a funny film is one that has at least 4 out-loud laughs in it apart from what's in the trailers.

This is the same as Mark Kermode's. I never trust him when it comes to comedies.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

(it's weird how few British people seem to be on this thread)

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

My definition of a funny film is one that has at least 4 out-loud laughs in it apart from what's in the trailers.

Hopefully, y'all understand that I'm not saying that this is my formula for a GREAT comedy. Its just that I've seen so many so-called comedies where a smile wasn't even cracked, so 4 oud-loud laughs is pretty good. Borat... had much more than 4.

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think the antisemitism is supposed to be funny in a much different way than the racism stuff, but maybe I'm just reading too much Cohen into the character.

I though Sacha was married to a nice Jewish girl, kinda disappointed to hear he's engaged to an actress (from Wedding Crashers!) now.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

the local tv news interview and the gypsy yard sale bit. and yet, at my screening, NO ONE laughed at these things.

the gypsy bit was weirdly hilarious, and very clever, the way he acts like you have to be authoritative but also cautious with gypsies, like "I am going to look through your treasures, gypsy. IS THIS OK?"

I have to say while I can see the point of the film exposing backward views or whatever, a lot of the impact seems to be in the fact that it makes racist or anti-semitic jokes, these jokes are powerful because they are seldom allowed to be made.

Once the setting has been made "ok" for people, then you get this raucous outpouring of laughter. Some of the "FUNNIEST MOVIE EVER" type reviews kind of make me feel this a bit more intensely, like people are laughing with the relief of being able to laugh at stuff that would normally be taboo.

I suppose you hope people think about how anti-semitic, sexist etc Borat is, I mean he's obviously a cartoon character, but I'm not sure that people ponder the fact that they just laughed at anti-semitism, maybe it doesn't matter.

I guess Borat brings out the worst in some of the Americans he speaks to, but then perhaps the film also exposes European attitudes towards Eastern Europeans...

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Borat being pretty on point about racism if you ask me (admittedly this sequence was not in the move):

Borat (about black servant): "Is he your slave?"

Country Club Guy: "Oh no, we don't have slaves in America now. A law was passed years ago that we cannot use them for slavery. . . . which is good for them."

Borat: "Ah yes, but not so good for YOU!"

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Once the setting has been made "ok" for people, then you get this raucous outpouring of laughter. Some of the "FUNNIEST MOVIE EVER" type reviews kind of make me feel this a bit more intensely, like people are laughing with the relief of being able to laugh at stuff that would normally be taboo.

this is pretty otm, especially for the showing i saw (semi-rural, reddest state ever)

gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

The country club guy responds in agreement, too. xp

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

From the Bruno thread:

I haven't read a less than four-star review of it yet. And the majority were fives.
-- chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (joe.goode...)

Just so yr not missing this:

http://www.nypress.com/19/44/film/ArmondWhite.cfm


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

We talked about it upthread.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

I was waiting for this:

Mahir is suing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

ugh armond white

gear (gear), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the Pam Anderson part was the most obviously staged bit (yes it was sorta distracting to wonder which parts were or not, but that's not really a fault of the movie itself). So if quite a few reasonably intelligent people here weren't sure about it, that shows that the staged bits in general were done very well. (guess it helps that some of the non-totally-staged parts, eg the frat dudes, were so over-the-top)

Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Mahir does not get any money out of this. If he does, then Steve Martin and Dan Ackroyd (aka the swinging Czech brothers) will be next!

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

it's funny how ppl are talking like racism and anti-semitism are two completely different things!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

(well ok, one person)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

OK, "hatin' black people" and "hatin' Jews," then.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was obvious I meant racism other than antisemitism (which is racism, of course). My point was just that surely other types of racism are a bigger problem in the US than antisemitism, yet in the film Cohen seems extra keen (perhaps understandably so) on exposing the latter but not the former.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

Man it would have been pretty bad if Pamela Anderson wasn't in on the ending. Also breaking stuff in the antiques shop was a little much. Borat has always been my least favorite SBC character but overall LOLOL.

Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

My point was just that surely other types of racism are a bigger problem in the US than antisemitism, yet in the film Cohen seems extra keen (perhaps understandably so) on exposing the latter but not the former.

Maybe this is because HE IS JEWISH.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that's why I wrote "understandably so". However, him being Jewish doesn't stop him from exposing other types of racism. I'm not saying Borat is a bad film for not doing this, but it's not exactly the scathing social satire some folks (including me) might've expected it to be.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

goddam Tuomas go do some fucking heroin

am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

yes he should have exposed all forms of prejudice equally, I totally agree. and while he was at it he should have found some cinematic cure for cancer and aids...but only if both were as effective as each other.

jesus christ save us from this moronic bullshit

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Saw it again last night (not really out of choice). Laughed louder at certain points. But I gotta say that within a couple of days, many in the theatres will be seeing it for a second time, and anticipating certain scenes --- less enjoyable for first time viewers.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Well, excuse me for saying that a comedian who's lauded exactly for exposing the bigotry of ordinary Americans didn't, in my opinion, really reach that goal in this film. I really liked the film, but based on what I've read about it (and the few episodes of the TV series I've seen), it wasn't quite what I expected, more like your typical anti-PC comedy. Which is perfectly fine.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

the fact that this thread is not purely celebrating the transcendent rofflez of borat is tragic.

i shall lead the way

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jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

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jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

One of the people I went to see this with last night laughed and laugh and laughed through the whole thing, and came out being nothing but critical.

I mean, c'mon!!....Its intent was to be funny AND IT WAS! How many "comedies" achieve that???

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

the naked fighting was the craziest thing i've ever seen in a movie - i had to look away i was laughing so hard.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a Guardian article with reviews of/comments on the film from a Jewish writer, a Kazakh, a human rights campaigner, a black journalist, an academic and a donkey expert (via Metafilter):

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,1931712,00.html

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)


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