I HATE APPLE

FWIW, once I had entered my Twitter account in the Mail, Contacts, & Calendars system preferences much of the integration weirdness went away.

That sucks a bunch

of broccoli

achtung euler: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/08/07/save-as

is there any reason to upgrade to mountain lion?

if you're on lion it's less hateful? if you're on snow leopard, no

IF you want your battery life to take a massive hit, upgrade away.

whoa http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/tests-show-mountain-lion-may-indeed-degrade-battery-life/

Some users in Apple's forums reported potential fixes, including repairing disk permissions

christ those forums are the pits

lol yeah i nearly stopped reading at that point

I just started laughing so hard I almost choked when I read that, thanks stet

btw mountain lion is awesome and all the swipey motions on the trackpad are even better with added NOTIFICATION CENTER SWIPE

I've also noticed, oddly, that it seems to be more intelligent about when to put my laptop to sleep compared to Lion?

uggh @ that "save as" thing, I have already used it but did not notice

because of "Versions" I'm not screwed but still

surely the same thing happens even when you DON'T "save as"?

i.e. if you just close the document?

yeah. the new save as behaviour makes total sense if you're in the cuckoo new always-save world

or if you've ever used gmail.com

or wordpress.com

etc

I like that behavior but that's why the old save as is useful too, to branch docs that have their own versions too

Xp to stet

isn't this just confusion surrounding how mtn lion ~looks at~ edits? like in the Olde Worlde, you opened a document, made changes to it, and then, once you were satisfied with those changes, you committed to them and saved the document. if you decided to save-as, it just took a snapshot of the document AS IS and made a new document. then if you closed out the other one, and didn't save changes, you had the situation that seems to be so vexing for you guys.

cuz otherwise this save-as business (i haven't really run into it yet) just sounds like it mimics this behavior: open a doc, edit it, come to a point where you would like to be able to explore changes, but are happy with what you've got so far, save, then save-as for changes you want to try out, but maybe not commit to.

basically with save-as working as it does in mtn lion, invoking it says "start keeping track of these changes under a new name, leave the old document as it was when i invoked save-as". esp since it removes the terror associated with 'holy shit i've been working on this thing for hours and haven't hit save, if i do the wrong thing or if the power goes out or the cat trips the cable or w/e it will be as if NOTHING HAPPENED'. i for one welcome our new etc etc

ignore that 'esp since' apparently i forgot words

it makes branching easier and more intuitive imo

so the new "save as" does what a "save" and then a "save as" used to do?

apparently, yes

in TextEdit the keystroke is called Duplicate in the menu, it's pretty obv what they're doing

i just made a file in TE, saved it (before doing anything), and then typed some stuff. then i hit the save-as keystroke and boop there was another window, with the window/document name ready to be edited, hit return, cursor in the document. changed it some, then close the windows.

the branched document appeared in the same directory as the original. this is pretty handy, imo

is there a "save as classic" if you hold option while clicking the file menu?

why yes, yes there is

boom

Yeah I think if you were designing a document storage system from scratch, this is how you would want it to work. It will lead to confusion among actually-existing humans, but that's just temporary.

No, there's no save as classic, that's what's got the marcos all riled up. Even if you Save As (option-click), it "saves" the old document too.

But, like I say, that makes perfect sense in the new world. documents are always saved. There's no concept of a document with unsaved changes, so there's not really any way to support classic Save As.

TBH I never liked classic Save As. I was always (irrationally) worried that the next save would go to the original document (eg that Save As saved out a copy to the new filename, then let you carry on working on your original document).

yeah I've had that uncertainty too

does saveas keep your previously saved copy somewhere as well?

Yes, except that it retains all the changes you made up to that point, rather than wherever it was the previous time you saved the original document - at least if I'm reading people right. But you can use Versions, as always, to go back.

I've always duplicated files before working on them, giving them a new number. Save As was always too close to Save for me!

one sort of wonderful thing about dropbox is that it saves versions

but ya i usually, especially when like, editing a film, save a new version number every day in case the file gets corrupted

vim still works the same

we're not talking about kitchen cleaners here pal

vim still works the same

i've been running ML since the betas and when all this hubbub about Save As started kicking around, i was trying to think if i had ever even noticed the behavior ...then i realized that 90% of any document editing i do is in emacs

bring back suggest ban

i've been running ML since the betas and when all this hubbub about Save As started kicking around, i was trying to think if i had ever even noticed the behavior ...then i realized that 90% of any document editing i do is in emacs

cosign. that said, I never got my head around the whole save as/duplicate thing in lion whenever I was forced to use Word for something.

Cosign also. Roughly half of my work is residing in local git/svn repositories anyway, so most of this just flew by me.

yeah I guess I don't care about this "Save As" behavior...I'm happy to be able to skip the "Duplicate" crap of Lion & this behavior is compatible with the "always saved" file model of L/ML.

and if I want different versions of my CV?

Create a separate one called "Inflated Lies," accidentally attach it to your next cover letter.

Honestly is this so hard to figure out? Save As BEFORE you start making all your experimental horse changes