Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

uh uh uh. this movie sucked on its own merits

I've read comics all my life but I can't get behind cutting a film critical slack because it's living down to its source material or because it's based on a(n arguably) less artful form of storytelling.

Again, I wasn't really trying to excuse them in the film, just pointing out that comics make those kind of frustrating leaps all the gd time. I think, ultimately, your willingness to overlook these plot holes depends on how fun you found the film. I found it fun, not as fun as TDK, but fun enough.

I feel like some of you bitching about plot holes and subplots being magically waved away don't really read comic books all that much. Not defending them really, this is a different media and all, but its not like there isn't a precedent in the source material for these sorts of contrived plots that don't really pan out under close inspection.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, July 30, 2012 9:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the problem is dude, if the rest of the movie is blah/boring, you end up spending your time examining that stuff too closely

Wish they'd done at least some scenes with Bane out of a mask. Maybe they were trying to go as far down the road as possible with this idea of the masked man becoming an icon, more than a person, just this faceless force, but that works against all the things about Bane that are quirky and unique to this one guy and his biography. Maybe that should have been played up more actually, like the way Batman really beats Bane is to stop seeing him as Bane the unstoppable force of evil and as Bob Bane, disgruntled sore-face guy who's got a thing for Marion Cotillard. Would parallel Bruce Wayne trying to figure himself out, having consciously built his own identity/cage around himself, and now stripping that away to retire and so on.

― Doctor Casino, Monday, July 30, 2012 9:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? do you wish the dark knight had done some scenes with the joker out of makeup too?

joker and bane aren't really comparable in execution imo

tho you couldn't have bane w/o the mask cause there's no way that voice can come out of tom hardy's mouth without him making hilarious faces

seeing him without the mask in the "present" would have demystified him even more than the reveal already did

might've preferred a less mysterious bane

i complained about the mask because, in conjunction with the processed voice & affected accent, it made bane seem more weird than terrifying. plus it all but erased tom hardy, confining his performance to a series of arm and eyebrow gestures. the joker's makeup didn't limit heath ledger in any noticeable way, so the comparison doesn't make sense.

that said, when it was revealed at the end that bane wasn't the big evil baddie he'd been built up as, that he was instead a damaged but loyal pet, the mask gave his monstrousness a sort of frankenstein poignancy. didn't really square w the character we'd seen up to that point though.

this was... i don't even wanna give it the benefit of a hyperbolic extreme, it was just dull dull dull and really stupid

nolan is incapable of creating any real movement in his films, his one cinematic register is like the ominous looming drift of letting go of the steering wheel of a very expensive walnut-dashed four door saloon on the freeway

thought bane was well conceived if it's possible to disassociate him from the lame script. they could have fleshed him out and made him weirder still even. (no screen villain will ever be as weird as tom hardy is himself though).

i probably most enjoyed the scarecrow kangaroo court section (and death by mau mau joke) - like joker in tdk the flashes of burton/gilliam absurdity focus the rest of the portentous doomy nonsense, and there wasnt enough of that. i really did suddenly wish i was watching 12 monkeys halfway through this

some of the dialogue was just like... sighhhh. the big bane bat confrontation:

"so you came back to die with your city"
"no i came back to stop you"

ohh-kay. great. thanks for avoiding the corny superhero conventions of engaging scriptwriting

and surely that was an injoke right, making bake do the whole WHUUURS THE TRIGGGUH WHURRR IS IT thing again

haha yeah that was totally HOW'D IT GET BURNED? HOW'D IT GET BURNED?

I wonder how much of the single day he had left to save gotham bats spent painting gasoline on a bridge and writing a new will.

this was such a waste of Tom Hardy, coulda been any bulky dude w/ a silly voice

nah hardy was worth it just for the voice

i assumed the redub was a different voice actor tbh, couldn't imagine tom hardy doing it

Huh?

his original recording was too mumbled and inaudible so they redubbed it

Yes, but why would it not be Hardy?

alba you didnt really cry at this film did you, be honest

I mean, he takes his acting pretty seriously. We can argue about whether putting a mask on an actor limits him too much, but that's no reason to take away one of the key things he's got left.

xpost yeah, I did! I often get emotional in cinemas though. You should have seen in me in Nostalgia for the Light the next day.

[backs away slowly]

well now listening to the before/after it's clearly him, but when i was watching the movie it just sounded so ridiculous i had trouble matching it to his face (and why not go the james earl jones/darth vader route)

meta gravitas is why not darling

people always respond well to outlandish actorly commitment and sacrifice and whatnot even if the result is the same

it would be more like orson welles / unicron than vader anyway

I appreciated his dialogue much more – and missed much less of it – on second viewing. It has pretty amazing cadences to it that really got under my skin.

I agree w/ whichever review described his tone as "weirdly jaunty."

I can't see the possibility of doing a scene with current Bane without a mask since when it was partially damaged he was noticeably suffering until Thalia fixed it.
Did leave me wondering how he ate or sustained himself, that can't all be from the Venom can it?

HUGE PLOT HOLE HOW DOES BANE EAT HIS BREAKFAST???

you guys are ridiculous, tom hardy is far and away the best thing about this movie, don't cry because you didn't get to see his mouth

some of the dialogue was just like... sighhhh

another one: when daggett realises bane is about to kill him: "you're... pure evil!!!" nah mate he's just another self-interested psycho like yourself, albeit with muscles.

i'm going to see this again (IN IMAX) so i really should be trying to talk myself round to liking it more.

ya that was ridic

xp the characterizations won't be any less incoherent, but i think the awesome explosions and crap in IMAX would make it a little more enjoyable. at least, it helped me ignore most of the stuff you guys are talking about while i was in the theater. but if you dislike it so much it much, why bother seeing it again?

HUGE PLOT HOLE HOW DOES BANE EAT HIS BREAKFAST???

xp friend bought imax tickets for end of august, couldn't wait that long so went to see it on the cheap. i never see films twice usually so er it'll be an interesting experiment.

its gonna be crazy

stoked for the madness ¯\(º_o)/¯

you guys are ridiculous, tom hardy is far and away the best thing about this movie, don't cry because you didn't get to see his mouth

― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:53 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

ya

second best thing is the brief bit of liam neeson

that wasn't him, it was a hallucination

sorry guys, Hardy was terrible

woulda been cool if they had put a glowing outline around ra's-al-ghul like the dead people in star wars movies

I agree w/ whichever review described his tone as "weirdly jaunty."

― Simon H., Tuesday, 31 July 2012 09:13 (3 hours ago)

ha yeah, it sometimes felt like he was 50% psychotic hardman 50% quippy standup.

xp the characterizations won't be any less incoherent, but i think the awesome explosions and crap in IMAX would make it a little more enjoyable. at least, it helped me ignore most of the stuff you guys are talking about while i was in the theater. but if you dislike it so much it much, why bother seeing it again?

I sometimes give films I didn't like a second chance if I get the feeling I might have just approached them wrongly or missed stuff. Did it with There Will Be Blood and it paid huge dividends. I have monthly pass to Cineworld cinemas so it doesn't cost me anything.

Reason to see TDKR in IMAX is not just awesome explosions and crap – at least if the first time you say it it was in a crappy digital projection that totally shortchanged the cinematography.

I thought he sounded like the Family Guy impressions of Patrick Stewart.

i don't even remember any awesome explosions or much action at all really.

Bane's look and physicality should have done most of the work but they basically chickened out and turned him into a second-rate Joker, and the way he acted didn't really square with his origin story either. Should have been a man of few words

woulda been cool if they had put a glowing outline around ra's-al-ghul like the dead people in star wars movies

― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:24 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

i hated when he faded away like obi-wan's ghost

xxp ahaha, i actually got that vibe a few times too! but you realize those aren't impressions, right

haha, was just gonna say, that's actually Patrick Stewart on FG.

That makes it funnier, because he sounds like somebody trying to parody him.