Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

This movie really needed an Oceans 11-type flashback at the credits showing how Batman survived that last noble act.

what sort of savage would dis museum dioramas :-(

― the late great, Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:39 PM Bookmark

i don't know if you were there, but this kind of question THROTTLED the paul simon ballot poll results thread on ILM, i don't know if i'm ready to revisit that battlefield

the contende rizes

― am0n, Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:52 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

nice

Another problem with these movies is the nullity Bruce Wayne/Batman, thanks to Bale's performance. He's hard to take seriously.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:08 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree w/u re: the first 2 movies but i thought bale had a nice lightness of touch here

bunch of good posts itt, really feeling ryan on the realism/mannism & how timely it felt (that the newest spider-man film mainly existed separate from anything interesting or topical jarred, slightly, i think).

& yeah bale was good in this one. alfred was being such a debbie downer throughout but i bought into bruce wayne's quieter moments. it's a pity they got sped up into push-up montages, but the idea of him being a shut-in getting round to shaving so he could leave the house worked pretty well.

It was a pretty odd decision to have two comebacks for Batman though

There ain't a post credits scene here is there. Didn't look like there was going to be one by the time I stayed til. So hope I didn't miss one.

Thought it was pretty great and would be up for watching another one, assuming Alfred isn't hallucinating/dreaming.

Don't recall coming across Bane before, but maybe they just changed the way he looks a bit. Sorry if that's sorted further up the thread i haven't read it all the way through.

so what's this year's next biggie?

Bourne or Bond i guess

wonder if there was any significance to 8 years gap, since I thought this was supposed to be a fantasised present day. & I don't think the last one was that long ago.

star trek two

alfred was being such a debbie downer

I learned it from watching Bale

don't confucians believe life happens in eight year cycles, maybe that's the meaning

star trek two

― the late great, Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

next year

Argo looked kinda interesting.

Steveolende - Bane is a 2nd or 3rd tier Bat-villain, invented in the early 90s basically to kickstart a plot about Batman getting his back broken and having to start again. His motivations in the comics were way different than in the movie IIRC, but I think they successfully grabbed what was useful about the concept: after decades of fighting malnourished lunatics, Batman meets someone who's his physical match, and loses. (Nevermind Killer Croc and Man-Bat.) I don't BELIEVE he ever had anything to do with R'as al Ghul before. He also was used as Uma Thurman's henchman in Batman and Robin but the less said about that, the better.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/01/21/ask-chris-42-breaking-down-bane/ - - Chris Sims makes a case for the comic book version of the character as being more interesting than he's cracked up to be.

xp re argo, ^^ i had to look this up and see that it wasn't another sword-and-sandal movie

o/t but man i saw clash of the titans on cable and it was a really ohh lord pac moment for me

"While searching for the Swiss man in Rome, Bane encounters the League of Assassins and eventually Bane impresses Ra's al Ghul so much that he chooses Bane as his heir (an "honor" he had previously bestowed on Batman).[11]"

you have to remember bane came out like six months after image comics started, he is a quintessential early 90s hardman

only good thing about bane was that he looked hilarious when kelly jones drew him

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll9hpsCc5A1qbnzd3o1_400.jpg

is he some kind of roided out crazy man or is he just generic badass

sorry i guess i could wiki but those are so goddam long for comic book shits

the pain mask thing was always part of it iirc and a reason he was so unstoppable

he didn't have the pain thing in the comics. He had pipes that injected "Venom" directly into his bloodstream which made him super strong. He's also super intelligent

Yeah, he had a super-roid but it had nothing to do with the mask

Also, I never cease to be amazed that someone looked at that cover and thought "yup, this is a great cover image, send it to press!"

this is embarrassing, but i think a missed a key plot point or simply didn't understand what Bane was saying but....can anyone tell me what Bane's whole idea was with not just blowing up Gotham right away?

He (and Talia) were self-indulgent and wanted to see Batman/Bruce Wayne and his city suffer?

The way he pitches it to Batman in prison is that it's all about fucking with Batman's head and confronting him with his failure and so on. (Should have put the TV behind Plexiglas, I guess.) Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, especially if he wasn't going to bother keeping closer tabs on the prison to see if it was all going according to plan. It's odd, anyway, since R'as himself didn't feel the need to drag out Gotham's suffering so much, and their whole MO seems to be just to pick up where he left off.

Well, and Talia pretty much says that she wanted to finish her father's quest AND take revenge on Batman for killing him.

sorry i guess i could wiki but those are so goddam long for comic book shits

― goole, Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:22 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

theres a really comprehensive link like 5 posts above u

oh ok. yeah i kinda get it as basically a ploy to show how Gotham isn't worth redeeming because they'll just lay down to Bane?

bane is the guy on the beach kicking sand in weakling batman's face

talia is the hot girl who chooses him over batman

i read the wiki anyway :/ :)

ok yeah yeah not a mask but a super-roid, though i thought it made him able to ignore pain berserker-style?

assuming Alfred isn't hallucinating/dreaming.

Ha - that was what I wondered too after seeing it the first time. Just seen it again and this time I caught the thing with Fox finding out that Bruce fixed the autopilot so woo, that's how Batman escapes.

Liked it as much on second viewing. Particularly like the way it's not clear what's best when it comes to "letting the truth have its day". I like that it's Bane who gets to be the one who reads Commissioner Gordon's speech about Two-Face. And I like that by the end, as Bane looks up at Bruce like a wounded Caliban, the whole League of Shadows seems pretty noble.

that's a nice read on it. it's funny how one emergent theme of the whole series seems to be Batman constantly dissembling in order for Gotham to hold itself together--even his need to be an inspirational Symbol by faking his death. it's a dark idea.

it's a weird idea, and one of the things i disliked most about TDK

i think there's a nihilistic strain to Nolan's movies. The Prestige, TDK, and Memento at least since to hint at something unbearably empty--"the world is miserable, solid all the way though" or something like that is said in The Prestige. it's like there's this mocking minor key in the Batman movies that Batman himself is a bit of a phony, someone who can't or won't face the truth.

it's kinda always what's compelling about a lot of superhero movies...especially these. The villains are always so much more aesthetically pure and Batman is always compromised.

to what extent does Nolan endorse the nihilism?

it's funny how one emergent theme of the whole series seems to be Batman constantly dissembling in order for Gotham to hold itself together--even his need to be an inspirational Symbol by faking his death. it's a dark idea.

Yes. The viewer is led to identify with Alfred's "stop trying to outsmart the truth" (and maybe Blake castigating Gordon too) and think that's going to be the lesson of the film, but then, well the truth never does really have its day.

Thinking about The Tempest, Miranda and Caliban on the island is not altogether unlike Miranda and Bane in the pit.

Memento's totally not nihilist, lol

It's been a while since I've seen it! I just remember him "choosing" the lie he'd constructed for himself at the end.

Memento is a movie about a guy who becomes a serial killer to deal with the fact his memoryless life has no purpose. He just programs himself to "avenge" his wife, no other goals.

I'd like to see someone review the 1st two Burton Batman's with Nolan-esque airmchair psychology/internet philosophizing.

internet philosophizing > nolan's philosophizing

That campy tone would be out of place for the new series. I've heard about other villians, not Riddler. Can't recall their names now. . . Dark Mask, maybe? Something about a mask melted onto the villian's face.

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 19:59 (3 years ago) Bookmark

I love the way this reads now. You want Batman to pop up and say "I'll look into it".

Nothing campy about a grown man dressed as a bat.

I did a great job avoiding anything written about this, including this thread. Saw it tonight, though it a slack slog, borderline incoherent at times, all portent and no purpose. I barely have the energy to complain, but my biggest problems were its totally chaotic sense of geography, Joseph Gordon Levitt as more impossibly ubiquitous than Batman, the fact that it telegraphed every last Chekhov's gun twist and turn so that the whole movie felt redundant in real time, and ... eh, why bother. I may have even enjoyed "Inception" more than this. Now that Nolan has got this out of his system and the franchise will move on to some hack like Len Wiseman, Louis Leterrier or McG, I hope he never makes another action movie again.

Things I liked: this may be the only action movie other than "True Lies" to actually detonate a nuclear bomb, though of course that movie went on a good 20 minutes more afterwards. I also liked the I recognized like 50 actors in this, including a bunch of walk-on day players. They really went all out putting the b-listers to work.