Should I go fishing or get a friend to hang around? Celebrated GAY Summer 2012

I would only do a relationship if he promised to get off with someone else.

Ah the old "It's not you, it's my eye and cock"

I prefer no definitions in that regard. Cheating be cheating, and it's not b/c of eye or cock in my case but usually drink and loneliness. Happily the situation resolves itself like: "oh btw I slept over with Keith" "cuuuuute"

Also, xxxp how would any NYC gays respond to that? "Yeah I went to Toronto once and the dudes were totally lame-o". My generalization was meant in good spirit

Also, xxxp how would any NYC gays people respond to that? "Yeah I went to Toronto anywhere else once and the dudes were everything was totally lame-o".

I have no idea if NY men are still aggressive, I'm invisible and/or retired. (translation: goddamn you who are getting any)

Sally Ride's brother is named... Bear Ride.

Yes, NY men are still aggressive.

Bear Ride

which I thought was a boat trip in Provincetown

My stomach can't handle bear rides anymore.

men of NYC are intermittently aggressive i'd say

(just, y'know, ime)

I am intermittently aggressive depending on the cocktail you buy for me.

my apologies, Bear is Ride's SISTER.

Disappointing but that's gonna be my dog's name regardless

i have been trying to be more forward; i can't say it's the worst strategy

but there's definitely a fine line btw forward and stupid

Can I be a bear?

Took an hour in Boystown this weekend and, tho I'm aware of how the regulars here feel about the place, it made me sort of wish that Mpls's gay bars were more centrally located.

Also, love that it's just a block or two away from straight douche-n-hooch-ville.

Boystown is not somewhere I want to spend much time, but there are some decent bars there. It's about as appealing as Wrigleyville (douche-n-hooch-ville) for me, except that Boystown has more dick available.

the world is full of contrast

How diverse are the Boystown bars? I always bitch abt Philly's Gayborhood (ALL the gay bars in the city in one tight cluster, self-ghettoization, people refusing to set foot outside of, etc) but mostly because all the bars are more or less the same. Or rather, there is no chill/cool/"alt" spot like NYC's Nowhere or Metropolitan or (RIP) Phoenix. There are like 6 twinky bars, 2 bearish/older dude bars, and a good Cheers-y happy hour place that is literally the only gay bar w draft beer.

wait, the Phoenix closed? or transformed?

i was just at the Phoenix and i would not call it alt

it was like a fucking model explosion in there

and i had this very trippy moment when let's have a kiki was on and i looked around and everybody was mouthing the words with half-cocked smiles on their faces and it was really gay

Ewww.

Oh I thought it closed! Did it move? I don't know. Anyway the few times I went there (once was w you, surm!) it seemed not totally Queer As Folky

Also I'm wrong, there are a few gay bars in Philly w/ draft beer (keyword: few) but its still surprising there's no hipstery gay bar.

oh yeah we were at the phoenix! you know, i think we went on like a tuesday. i think their friday nights are particularly ... something

yeah i remember we were in the back room - i like that room. there was NO one in there on friday, everybody was out in the open and looking tall and sleek

How diverse are the Boystown bars?

As surm put it, basically a "fucking model explosion."

And, true to its name, I saw maybe one, maybe two people over the age of 40 there.

hah, morbs and i were also at that phoenix excursion iirc

i was wearing a sweater!

Really "model explosion"? Maybe I'm understanding that as more exclusive and A-Listy than you mean. Or maybe I know how to avoid them.

The bars I've spent any time have been Bucks, North End, Lucky Horseshoe, Bobby Loves, The Cell Block, and Little Jim's, which were the only ones that stand out from the shinier Boystown thing, at which bars you see plenty of men over 40 (scenes, as listed: sort of bear-ish, sports, strippers, just-a-bar, leather, one of only a few 4:00/5:00 a.m. bars w/ a hint of dive).

The rest of Boystown is kind of homogenous from what I can tell.

I thought surm meant "model explosion" as homogenous, tbh.

But, then again, I can be a little bit of a yawn boring Sidetrack kind of guy the rare occasions I decide to go out. So stone me.

I bailed on "the Phoenix excursion" after we left Julius'. Probably for some fucking movie.

Philly bar most suited for my demographic is called Uncles.

whatever i love models anyway, wd talk about prada and make out any night of the week

Julius and Townhouse are my favourite gay bars in NYC, does that make me old?

julius' is kind of expensive for what it is but i like it, didn't go there very often tho

I think it makes you jailbait-on-a-curve, Owen.

I was at Julius' last night when the Dirty Looks people were showing Tearoom ... kind of didn't work... WCBS-FM and Jeopardy were also playing.

A gay bar where I can watch and play along with Jeopardy is my kind of gay bar.

Thx for the new screenname, Morbs

The (kinda hipsterish?) Boystown bar I remember liking was Berlin, right next to the Belmont el station, notably not on Halsted.

Aw fuck

oh man – I visited Berlin in 2002 on my first visit to Chicago. Picked up a guy, cautioned my friends to stay away for a couple hours, and couldn't finish the devil's business thanks to their coming in and talking nervous shit about Pearl Jam from the other bed.

would've ended my friendship with them right then and there

Damn, well, you deserve it more, Owen P. I am just middle aged now.

would've ended my friendship with them right then and there

he's the one I said got married three days ago.

Young in number only, I got an old-man body and old-man problems. I see the appeal of a place like Metropolitan or Nowhere but they're not unique-to-NYC enough for me to want to go, as a visitor. And the last time I went to Sway I got in a fight. (Usually I end up at Von tbh.)