the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

They deserve each other.

America Mordy can't handle the truth
(I think we'll still be able to read him, like magic)

This has nothing to do with the election btw.

So my point before was that the assumption that Obama is the lesser evil between these two shits is an airy assumption.

lesser of two evils is maybe a useful expression but if you are really thinking in terms of evil you have already given up on attempting to understand anything

a crisp expression of postmodern amorality, that

hah you are such a classic conservative

OH I SEE

lol its true!

(I think we'll still be able to read him, like magic)

i visit salon everyday. i visit the guardian never when ilxors post funny/stupid guardian articles. this will be a marked decrease in the quantity of gg in my life!

im happy glenns getting a bigger platform, i dont really like reading him that much but he makes some important points and is generally a p unique voice in the bigtime blogosphere

I hope Romney pays close attention to NRO for political strategy: today's poll is running 96% yes on the question of "Does Romney Need to Take the Gloves Off?"

"thinking in terms of evil" has often cut across the political spectrum throughout history, save for death-metalists like yrself. xxxxp

Take those dressage gloves off, Romney!

romney def needs to take the gloves off, when people finally here abt how obama is an african socialist who did drugs they will surely turn against him

That's what I mean about how much discipline it will take for Romney to resist that stuff, though. He's Jimmy Conway, trying to do things methodically, while his base is Morrie the wig salesman, shouting "We've been bleeding for this caper, we've been cultivating this son-of-a-bitch for four years!"

"thinking in terms of evil" has often cut across the political spectrum throughout history, save for death-metalists like yrself. xxxxp

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:36 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well i would argue that think of people as evil is contrary to the liberal humanist tradition, and equating post modernism w/amorality is purely a contemporary conservative maneuver, to this evidence i would add the fact that you think things used to be better, which is of course the core conservative belief

oh lord another Kant discussion

i.. just.. kant

"thinking of people as evil" is not nec the point (though we all are to varying degrees, obv [hi Catholic]), but evaluating the moral consequences of actions.

"postmodern" was a bad word choice, I should've just said "contemporary", eg Bill Maher's assumption that all religious ppl are stupid or evil.

so a German in 1938 who thought things used to be better was conservative?

"Romney Takes Off His Gloves" sounds like an outtake from Heartland

Someone's gotta do it (even though I think he's putting them on).

http://paulkiser.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/romney-glove.jpg

(though we all are to varying degrees, obv [hi Catholic])

turn back while you still can

so a German in 1938 who thought things used to be better was conservative?

this is disingenuous, it depends on WHICH things you think used to be better. in 1938 Hitler thought things used to be better etc and now GODWIN'S LAW let's shut up about this already sheesh

How could things have used to be better? There are iPhones now

Also, I wasn't alive in the past.

none of the things that have gotten better in America in the last 30 years have to do with the political establishment, that's for sure

what abt the internet

cleaner air and water, safer highways

what about it? a tool as good as its users, like nearly any other.

(ie, pretty awful)

xp

unavoidable environmental catastrophe looming

none of the things that have gotten better in America in the last 30 years have to do with the political establishment,

lol is this some kind of self-parody cuz this is totally a right-wing talking point

also environmental catastrophe was totally avoidable (not so much anymore unfortunately)

tell us how our 31 years of Reaganism have brought about the Enlightenment, SMC.

the core of the morbsian conservative philosophy isnt as he claims evaluating the moral consequences of actions, its using morality to negate any helpful actions, painting the world w/a v large brown brush thereby eliminating the need to engage w/complexity or ambiguity

if youre ralph nadar you might get a pass for doing something ungodly

today's poll is running 96% yes on the question of "Does Romney Need to Take the Gloves Off?"

what were the results for "Will taking the gloves off hurt Romney's hands really bad?"

why did the DNC apologize for the horse ad I'm confused

The Famous Mr. Ed threw a fit.

"helpful actions" will have little to do with this election.

They found out later the horse was a big contributor.

I think you mean "crony"

#crony2012

my little crony

"helpful actions" will have little to do with this election.

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:14 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what color is the sun dr morbs, the sun is brown

lol good luck microsoft http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-19/microsoft-hires-pollster-penn-to-lead-consumer-initiatives-1-.html

oof. would gates himself been taken in a con like that?

well, he did keep ballmer in power

The problem with Glenn Greenwald would be, what??...he isn't sufficiently Democrat-partisan? His articles are too long (Boring!!) He actually includes references demonstrating his claims? Strawmanning his arguments is kind of hard? What he demonstrates embarrasses your sense that you support the moral high ground in all things?

Anyway, I am glad he left Salon, which will reduce by about 50% my chances of visiting that site. Well, I tend to be embarrassed for turning on Salon in much the same way that I used to be embarrassed to be a Huffington Post reader (until I cut my visits down to about once every couple of weeks or so). Both websites constitute Exhibit A in the case for the internet's corrosive effect on headline ethics.

Actually somebody should do a poll here for the most misleading headline/article content ratio ever posted on either site. Or, somebody shouldn't.

Both websites constitute Exhibit A in the case for the internet's corrosive effect on headline ethics

I get the impression you are not so familiar with the Guardian...

lol yes you nailed it my problem with greenwald is that he's so great he makes me realize how flawed I am xp

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/glenn-greenwald-moves-from-salon-to-guardian-u-s/

my issue is that he isnt sufficiently democrat partisan, but to his credit hes completely un self righteous abt it