Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

Malcolm himself became better later on when they realised he was annoying and played it up for laughs.

I hated that show because Malcolm never put his eyebrows down and it was so distracting I couldn't watch it. Put your eyebrows down, Malcolm!

lol @ you guys unable to accept the guys crawling to a shrine - that seemed so obv something 'ripped from the headlines'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2008/nov/12/religion-mexico-cult-death

there's lots of footage of the shrine on youtube but I can't find any footage of the people crawling to it. if you look at some of the footage there's plenty of shots of the people paying homage to santa muerte so I don't think it'd be a case of "people are afraid to film the people crawling." in the trailer for this documentary people are showing up by bus to go to the Mass of Holy Death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgQftFWM41Q

my goth ass would watch the HELL outta this documentary tbrr

I accept the guys crawling to the shrine! The way it was portrayed, and the reactions of locals were kind of crazy. Then again, the Salamanca boys were pretty crazy, anyway.

the twins weren't even the worst -- gus' dialect coach was the worst if we were to believe (and i think we were?) that he was supposed to be from latin america originally

who played the dialect coach?

the twins weren't even the worst -- gus' dialect coach was the worst if we were to believe (and i think we were?) that he was supposed to be from latin america originally

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera)

Gus was Chileno. Doesn't matter to me though, I only care about unconvincing accents when they're supposed to be from my country.

Chile isn't part of Latin America? I guess it does sort of matter to me. Not a big deal, but while we're complaining.

I read the goofs part of the Cartel episode and everyone complained about how the accents were so horrible, Gus' especially. I'm just happy they didn't film the scenes in English.

Would love to see an example of a foreign-language movie or television show featuring a scene in English. The only thing I can come up with right at this moment is the final scene in "Life Is Beautiful" where the American soldier in the tank says to the Italian kid, "Hello, boy!"

Chile isn't part of Latin America? I guess it does sort of matter to me. Not a big deal, but while we're complaining.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera)

Oh yeah it completely is, I was clarifying rather than correcting.

Oddly enough I actually watched the Cartel episode whilst in Latin America. My Spanish isn't nearly good enough to pick up on dodgy accents though.

I think I said this before, but I remember liking Gus's accent because I could more or less understand his Spanish. Which is a sure sign that it's a terrible accent.

Not terrible, just obviously not native. It would be totally fine if he were from Albuquerque, but he was supposed to be a native speaker.

Is there any comparison you can make where UK:Spain = USA:Mexico to what Chile or Argentina sound like? Would they come across as Australian?

Seeing as Chileno accents are pretty garbled and difficult to understand Glaswegian might be more apt.

They're all just different, lots of different phonological features. There aren't any direct analogies to be made afaik.

f hazel would know more than i do, having studied argentine spanish specifically iirc?

One thing I really really like about the Pablo Escobar show is how antioqueño they all sound, but I would expect it to be muy auténtico because it's a Colombian show.

i have never been able to summon the energy to get angry about bad accents

Me neither, unless it's someone trying to do one of my local accents.

That's because you guys aren't linguists! This is my thing.

I'm allowed to pipe up about it occasionally.

No one said otherwise! I wish I could pipe up about it.

I know, I'm not mad :)

Would love to see an example of a foreign-language movie or television show featuring a scene in English.

There's a really embarrassing scene in The Marriage of Maria Braun where a black soldier, who's supposed to be an American GI only the actor isn't American, it's Gunther Kaufmann, comes drunkenly through a train car swearing a lot because he thinks the Germans don't understand him. Maria Braun responds "wittily" in English. One of the worst Fassbinder scenes really - the GI is doing a German director's imagined version of how Americans swear, and you can tell he thinks he's really got it down, only he doesn't and it's embarrassing.

Kaufmann's imdb is fucking weird and tragic like p. much everybody who came into Fassbinder's orbit.

In November 2002, he confessed to the murder of his accountant and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. He confessed to the deed even though he was not guilty because he wanted to protect his cancer-stricken wife, who had instigated three accomplices to this act. He wanted to spare her a cancer death in prison. Once the actual perpetrators were convicted, he was released and again recanted his confession. He reached a retrial and was acquitted in January 2005. Because of his false testimony two alleged accomplices were innocent of three weeks in custody. Therefore, he was convicted in March of 2006, a probation and a fine.

ha the dialogue in that scene is coming back to me as I research it -- "Lonely Richard, as my friends call ME" - with the stress falling on "me" instead of "friends" and sounding completely wrong and the hard "s" German & Dutch speakers tend to use when pronouncing the word "as"

incidentally I don't get MAD about bad accents, more really interested, like in the way the Dutch always say "as well" as if it were one word (and how they use "as well" but not "too") so as far as I am concerned La Lechera can talk all day about Gus's accent which made me think he didn't actually speak Spanish at all because it sounded so weird to me

Would love to see an example of a foreign-language movie or television show featuring a scene in English.

can't remember the details but there's a terrible scene in pierrot le fou that's supposed to parody american imperialism, it falls totally flat

i'm not MAD either, just disappointed. i have been trying in vain to find a clip so i can provide better examples, but i don't have all day to talk about this, so...carry on...

Would love to see an example of a foreign-language movie or television show featuring a scene in English

This p much describes the whole of 'The Room'

To get back to the previous derail, I've got Malcolm on in the background now and watching Cranston is extraordinary. Every iota of Hal's body language is utterly different to Walter White's. Such an incredibly controlled performer.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if he bags himself an Oscar in the next ten years.

I'm guessing two or three, if he stops slumming in stuff like Rock of Ages.

yeah, I recently saw an episode of Seinfeld with Cranston in it and asked my girlfriend (who I watch breaking bad with) if she recognised him and she had no idea.

I remember seeing that Seinfeld episode in reruns and thinking, Wow, Malcolm's dad was sure getting edgy here!

your girlfriend has amnesia :( xp

Tim Whatley is great, kinda underappreciated in the repertory of Seinfeld characters

not if you're jewish haha

I'm guessing two or three, if he stops slumming in stuff like Rock of Ages.

― the new dire homonomoreboobsativity (Eric H.),

I reckon classier leading roles will start pouring in once BB wraps.

He'll pull off a Tommy Lee Jones in one of the next Bourne movies, no doubt.

Would love to see an example of a foreign-language movie or television show featuring a scene in English. The only thing I can come up with right at this moment is the final scene in "Life Is Beautiful" where the American soldier in the tank says to the Italian kid, "Hello, boy!"

― pplains, Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:40 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0fW-SY7eY

xposts to LL, as I understand it, the writers didnt know where gus came from until the 4th season. They were forced to pick somewhere for the gus/max/hector storyline. I suppose it would be ridiculous to change his accent that late in the game?

i find it hard to imagine cranston getting a lot of juicy film roles post-BB, but i hope im wrong. i just see a lot of dads, grumpy bosses and bad guys in his future

That makes lots of sense. It's not that geographically it was inaccurate -- I don't even really know that I would recognize the exact features of Chilean Spanish even though I listen to it all the time at work. It's just that he is clearly not a native Spanish speaker at all and they didn't train him/his mouth well enough to make that inaudible/undetectable (to me, ol' eagle ears). I've always been interested in the strange world of dialect coaches. I wonder if they have formal linguistics/phonetics & phonology training?

Anyway he's gone now.

I think.

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/sneak-peek-episode-502-breaking-bad-madrigal

preview for e2

*bites tongue*

i have never been able to summon the energy to get angry about bad accents

― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:32 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Me neither, unless it's someone trying to do one of my local accents.

― pplains, Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:37 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yes