there are subtle nuances in every single one of those EXCELSIORS, I'll have you LOL

dunno dude i only read Spinoza

and The Victor

chabon wouldve been best for yr middlebrow literary stand in cause hes really into comics <<<literary style thinking

yeah, i like chabon tho

even better! continued literary style thinking

if a person does the "comic books aren't books schtick" I'm willing to bet ten dollars that that person's reading list for the last year includes exactly no heavy lifting at all

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/userfiles/images/lowdown/2011/11_nov/spinoza02.jpg

arent comic book literally books, they have pages and covers and the word book is even right there in the name

BARUCH! BARUCH!

right, but whiney is the sister in alice in wonderland who condemns anything that has pictures

Which ironically includes Alice in Wonderland.

i don't think that's ironic

this wouldnt have happened if morbs had made the same post w/ books in italics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ambrogio_Spinola_(Michiel_Jansz_van_Mierevelt,_1633).jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Ambrogio_Spinola_%28Michiel_Jansz_van_Mierevelt%2C_1633%29.jpg/483px-Ambrogio_Spinola_%28Michiel_Jansz_van_Mierevelt%2C_1633%29.jpg

hey philosophy dudes btw I've never read Spinoza. Hear him ref'd all the time & iirc Borges is into him. But my grounding in philosophy is pretty sub-entry-level, I have to slllloooowwww dowwwwnnnn when I read that stuff and go over the same grafs over & over to make sure I understood a point. Except! reading Kirkegaard was a blast back when & I know this pisses off hardcore philosophy types but one of the appealing points of critical theory is that you get dudes like De Man or Blanchot whose writing is just enjoyable on its merits. should I get some kind of a Spinoza reader or will I just be wasting my time

yeah, get a spinoza reader. he's killer. borges is pretty sweet too.

hey nakh - what's up?

take it to the spinoza thread smart guy

tragic that all these great minds of ilx need to read about what to think ;_;

huh no spinoza thread. what do you know?

I liked that philosopher who said philosophers were baloney, u know, that guy.

spinoza

yeah Spinoza is cool but the Ethics are kind of robot-logic ice cold, writing wise, & not really enjoyable on lit merits.

Feel like I do enough heavy lifting but can't get behind the no comics movement, if we go back to hating kids' books/ya fiction maybe I can get on board.

it is surprisingly difficult to find a list of all the bootlegs released on Pharting Pharaoh Records

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, July 16, 2012 3:22 PM (11 minutes ago)

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~rbombard/RB/Images/spinoza1.jpg

re: borges btw I don't like to spell out all the details online because litigious families actually do have ppl hunting high and low for copyright violation, but I have a private edition of some translations of his poetry that are much, much better than the ones greenlit by the Borges estate. As estates go his could be worse but they really fucked up with respect to his poetry, which was a great passion for JLB. So if you are ever in my neighborhood & yr a Borges person do not let me forget to let you leaf through the translations of the poetry because they will stop you dead in yr tracks

you should post the translations online for profit!

can't believe u don't read borges in the native tbrr

my spanish is really really bad now I can barely speak it any more

ay caramba

yo salto con mantequilla

was it spanish? Shit, i gotta watch star trek: invasions again

quiero comprar este bootleg de Aerosmith - se llama "Escuchale Esto, Brad"

aero re: bad translations do you mean the big penguin edition? i dont own it but the big penguin ficciones is really irritatingly/poorly translated too, which is a shame because it's great to have all the stories in one book

jejejeje

should just get better at my spanish reading skills, problem solved

As discussed above, class in America is based on how much money you make, and how much money your parents made to provide you with specific material advantages.

Even if your family has a thousand years of history, wealth in past generations in both Europe and the US, a cultural imprint on America, family with property and "important" cultural jobs in London, Paris, and Hong Kong, New England heiresses in the family circle, close friends in Oxford, Cambridge, and Reading in England, etc. etc., means nada. If you make lower middle class money, you're lower middle class. If you make upper class money, you're upper class. History, traditions, family culture don't mean a thing - what matters if you got a Lexus for your 16th birthday.

Since money doesn't pass down too long in the US, you'll probably find more "noble" middle class people than upper middle/upper class types. Of course, in the US it's a little easier to climb up the social chart just by sacrificing your life to make a lot of money.

― burt_stanton, Saturday, 13 October 2007 18:39 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

reading too much into it

With some edits:

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"But, under the mainstream, there’s another cohort gaining popularity. In Toronto, the Weeknd—mostly the efforts of a musician named Abel Tesfaye—released three full-length albums on the Web in 2011 that drove people almost uniformly crazy."

:/

"Other acts that once would have been called indie are making similar music, such as Chicago’s How to Dress Well and England’s Kindness"

:/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/ :/

― sisilafami, Monday, July 16, 2012 7:29 AM (26 minutes ago)

ha i was actually starting to feel some relief that FO had become a big enough story on his own that we wouldn't have the obligatory overview of that 'scene' in every article

― some dude, Monday, July 16, 2012 7:30 AM (25 minutes ago)

Does the 'scene' have a name yet or can we just call it the 'scene,' with quotes.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, July 16, 2012 7:37 AM (18 minutes ago)

i think the preferred ilm dickhead nomenclature is "r&b concrète"

― some dude, Monday, July 16, 2012 7:40 AM (15 minutes ago)

nah, that's something else entirely

― Number None, Monday, July 16, 2012 7:41 AM (14 minutes ago)

how about "avant la lecher".

― Tim F, Monday, July 16, 2012 7:50 AM (5 minutes ago)

aero re: bad translations do you mean the big penguin edition? i dont own it but the big penguin ficciones is really irritatingly/poorly translated too, which is a shame because it's great to have all the stories in one book

if that's the new/authorized edition of Borges's poetry I've only skimmed it, I was kinda close to the principals involved in arguing w/the estate back when. so I should own up that I have a horse in the race. but, like - Borges was passionate about meter and rhyme, or so I was taught. Most of the translations you see act like he wanted to do some kind of speech-rhythm thing. No disrespect to speech-rhythm free verse cats, may they prosper, I love plenty of 'em, but Borges was not among their numbers.

^^^ last line here is the best lit joke I've ever made so I'm retiring, peace

Here's my dude and his story - I guess he still reads from the translations he did so it's cool to talk about it - the horse I have in the race is this is the guy who taught me to write in verse, which basically changed my life forever, so while I don't share his disdain for forms/poets he doesn't love, I am in awe of his mind

lol Reading

btw pffffffft 'literature'

those without stories write 'literature'

those who think they have 'stories' write memoirs

oh man this shit blew up in a way that I am sure means we have a rich future discussion of David Boring for its own merits on our hands

aero if you really want the pants sued off of you, try violating some of Beckett's stage directions

(question: can you counteract getting your pants sued off if you take your pants off preemptively? has scotus ruled on this matter)

I haven't actually read any Borges poetry. I am a dumb prose cat. But I vow to rectify this.