Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

This is why I don't read these threads :(

xp In fact the whole eposide rode on a fetid jetstream of in-jokes and obscure fanwank.

I mean yeah, sorry, I'm not aiming that at you but the whole thing really was awful.

We all watch for different things, I guess.

It's particularly annoying because the new show is regularly witty, clever and involving, but occasionally you get this quasi-Hollywood shallow nonsense. The kiddies probably get a kick out of it.

It's still ostensibly a kids show. To be honest there aren't that many of the "deep" eps that I think are especially awesome, I just try and take the series as the variety bag it is.

The variety is nice, definitely, but when they waste 90 minutes on running around and blowing up things, it's not exactly gratifying to those of us who are bored by that sort of thing.

I'm sure no-one will disagree with me when I say that that was hugely entertaining stuff from beginning to end.

For those of us who still like fun, obviously.

I liked the Mummy line. Made the character more believable, for me.

Rose's face flashed up on the screen in the Tardis, didn't it?

It's getting a bit samey.

I thought I saw Rose being flashed up, yeh.

I rather enjoyed all that. "You will face me, sir!" Although I did think of this thread when doctor was running around making the atmosphere-conversion gizmo that would save the episode while explaining his plan at a frantic pace.

Unbelievably bad. Helen Raynor should never be allowed near the show again.

I LUV YOU YOUR MY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHMILY is the new running up and down corridors. Utterly pointless and sucks all the momentum out of the show.

Next week looks like a big pile of wank. "Oh yes, when I kept on crying because I was the last one, I was actually lying because I always knew there was another one. Sorry." Plus it was guaranteed as soon as Georgia Moffett was announced that this was what she was doing. OMG THE DAUGHTER OF A DOCTOR IS THE DOCTOR'S DAUGHTER I AM SO CLEVARR BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME I AM RUSTY I AM GENIARSE.

aldo otm

i don't usually agree with Autumn Almanac on Who EVER but 'Are you my mummy' was misplaced and stupid. OTM

'whole world under attack' episodes never work for me

Well I thought that was enormous fun.

It was fucking rubbish.

was sad when they shot Stephen Gateley

I missed the end but surely

"in-jokes and obscure fanwank"

is not the same as

"quasi-Hollywood shallow nonsense"

the effects are getting better and better tho. fiery sky all over the planet was good.

Well I thought that was enormous fun.

-- chap, Sunday, 4 May 2008 12:46 (1 hour ago) Link

It was fucking rubbish.

-- Alba, Sunday, 4 May 2008 12:48 (1 hour ago) Link

ILX in 2 posts.
I'm on Chap's side. I loved that the Dr had to give the sontarans a choice. And the list of countries with nucleur weapons.

" I loved that the Dr had to give the sontarans a choice" he does this every time.

i thought this was v poor. i've only really liked the first 2 eps so far this series.

I thought that one was bloody great, but then I like it when they do the enormous stupid blockbuster thing. It's for the kids, really, and today's kids would switch off old-Who in seconds.

It's pretty obvious that Timelords will keep coming back for ages, plus the Doctor's daughter looks hott, so I'm looking forward to next week's as well.

'OMG it was just running around shooting things and blowing everything up this would never have happened under William Hartnell YAWN!'

I must admit I have kind of missed Aldo popping up every week to shout 'WANK!' and 'OH JUST FUCK OFF DAVIES!' every so often. Doctor Who threads haven't quite been the same without it.

Who has always done 'save entire Earth from aliens using sticky-back plastic' type thing. When I was a kid I didn't notice this so much tho, or feel a preference for those stories. So tho as an adult I prefer the more subtle/smaller scale problems+solutions stories I'm sure many kids would too.

Holy! Inter-galatic Child Support Payments!

Doctor'll have to sell the Tardis.

So, uh, is that hot blonde woman Susan's mother?

Just found out the hot blonde woman is actually Peter Davison's daughter!

This was mentioned by aldo in disparaging tones above.

she looks like she could be M Pompadour's sprog (but obv not)

"I thought that one was bloody great, but then I like it when they do the enormous stupid blockbuster thing. It's for the kids, really, and today's kids would switch off old-Who in seconds"

well me too. but i still didn't like it. more out of it being so by-the-numbers predictable in every way. and nothing interesting being done with the stuff set up. also this whole story (like the ood one) was like old who - just with better CGI.

It's nice to be missed, I will try harder in the future.

You know the biggest problem? It's Rusty referencing his own previous series and believing that makes his references to the 'classic' series important. THEY'RE BOTH WANK.

I could rant for hours, really. Hartnell isn't better, it's just different (and my kids get on with it just fine, don't think of pacing being a difficult issue - and fuck me, I watched Invasion of Time yesterday and it's VERY VERY BAD) but I think the main thing is that someone wasn't trying to make it look like Hollyoakes.

GPWM, this was better than Invasion of Time. faintest of praise there.

" I loved that the Dr had to give the sontarans a choice" he does this every time.

I don't see this as a criticism.

I missed the end but surely

"in-jokes and obscure fanwank"

is not the same as

"quasi-Hollywood shallow nonsense"

-- Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 May 2008 23:13 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Fortunately this episode had both in spades.

Blowing-up-the-world stories can, and have been, done better. Nothing happened in this one, just loads of running around with guns and the Doctor whinging about guns.

A few explosions is all some people need.

But is she actually going to turn out to be the Doctor's daughter? But is she? BUT IS SHE?

IS SHE???

OR IS SHE???

Who gives a shit, someone was bound to eventually answer a question that was asked 45 years ago. They should go the whole hog and bring back Susan for the season finale, played by, I dunno, Becca from Hollyoaks or something.

(Guess who hasn't watched Hollyoakes in 5 years, kids)

Actually, yeah, more interested in Susan than any other NEW family members.
Regarding the Sontarans, watched 'The Time Warrior' with my wife on the weekend, as she only knows new-Who and wanted to see where Sarah Jane first showed up, and it had the probic-vent-thing-meaning-Sontarans-must-always-face-the-enemy thing in it, so that was there from the start. Also, Sontarans are creepier when they keep sticking their tongue out slightly every few minutes, like a lizard or a B-movie sex criminal.

TBH the most OTM criticism of nu-Who is how cloying the emotional stuff actually is. There's nothing wrong with injecting a bit of emo into the format but I can think of just three instances where it's actually been done well (The Girl In The Fireplace, Father's Day and whatever the pre-WW1 two-parter in S3 was called) and two out of those three were written by Paul Cornell*.

*Who might be a better call for S5 main writer than Moffatt, over the course of a whole series.

Billie did show up on the screen, yes, mouthing what looked like the word "Doctor". Those two were OK, really, but dear God Freema Agyeman is a terrible actress. Still liking the total lack of love interest with Donna, the bit where he was all "ooh, here is a key to the tardis, this is a big moment for us" and she was all "er, yeah, can we do this later when we're not about to be killed please" was nice.

kungfu daughter next week looks beyond shite though.

I don't know about that it looks like a Brits in SPAAAAACE episode, and I think they have been good so far.

During the TARDIS-goes-haywire final scene there were a few shots of the hand-in-jar bubbling away. I WONDER IF THIS REMINDER IS SIGNIFICANT AT ALL?

Yeah, there is something that already grates about the alien-kicking, boy-snogging, acrobatic, self-satisfied Brit-Buffy posh-girl that is the Doctor's daughter. But... we'll see.

"Go with the Doctor and see the stars, and maybe bring a little piece back for me."

"lol here's your souvenir from early 21st century Cardiff/London Grandad!"

people dissing Agyeman in this episode do realise she was playing an emotionally stunted clone of Martha for most of it tho yeah?