london restaurants

Asakusa in mornington crescent always gets the authenticity recommendations, too. (and is great, though i haven't been for like five years)

there is a new place in camden called Shimogamo that's really quite good (kyoto rather than tokyo, standard modern washoku) - haven't been for the evening menu yet.

So where does Tokyo Diner stand in the list of authenticity? Obv it's near the cheap n cheerful end but it usually works for me.

Yeah Bob the £50 per head was a birthday treat. Though, in the interests of full disclosure and not-pretenting-to-be-streetier-than-I-really-am, we do (very rarely) eat in places substantially more expensive than £50ph. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes not so much.

is burnt enz open every day? thinking abt maybe going this eve

just sat and sun, and i think reservations only on thursdays. a mate is having his birthday there today so i'm going along, at the risk of overkill.

thanks for the Japanese recommendations, I'll pass them on

that steak at burnt enz sounds like an incredibly good deal - i mean 30/kg is p much what it costs at the butcher

yeah had it yesterday, it's incredibly good.

i am still looking for an excuse to go to sushi of shiori.. everyone who's been has talked about it v positively. is it hard to get a reservation (since they only have like.. 6 seats)?

had a nice meal at tokyo diner but cannot vouch for authenticity as I wouldn't know! Seems like it though. The "no tips" policy (as I recall.. it was a while ago) would suggest it's not run by Chinese folks, for a start.

We booked a couple of weeks in advance, Ken. Dunno how it usually is.

In less fancy news, there's a Polosh caff in the Elephant called Mamuśka: they do a dish called potato pancakes : 4 big slabs of fried mashed potato covered with a ladleful of goulash. Totally delicious, extremely filling, £5, bosh. Their pierogis are decent also.

had nice times at yoisho on goodge st also.. again no idea re: authenticity but it was a "izakaya" kind of place so there's a lot of sake and some nice small dishes.

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had v good japanese at akari on essex rd (izakaya-style place) and kikuchi on hanway st (pricier, excellent sushi). tokyo diner is great too.

asakusa is my #1 but pham sushi near old st is also v recommended too

does anyone have any tips on how to actually deal with no-reservations bullshit? attempted to go to burger & lobster the other day, no dice at all, they were like oh you have to arrive at 6pm at the latest, which obv doesn't suit the members of our party who, like, have jobs

Agreed about Pham, I like it there, I'd forgotten.

We only go to no-res places if we manage to get ourselves there early or late, otherwise we just don't even bother. I do undersatand why places do it, but I am starting to hate it.

you have to arrive at 6pm at the latest, which obv doesn't suit the members of our party who, like, have jobs

jobs you can't leave by 6 - or 5 even - is the disgusting, savage thing here imo.

That and presumably a lack of widespread teleportation?

well i'm not the one with one of those awful things but factoring in travel time it seems slightly impossible. who leaves their job as early as 5?!

some of the supposedly crazy no-res places aren't always so bad, eg pitt cue isn't that hard to get into now, at any time really. i walked in at about 7 on a saturday a few weeks back. guess it varies place to place.

way deal with no-res places is wait for the ridiculous hype to die down?

xpost!

otm.

does anyone have any tips on how to actually deal with no-reservations bullshit? attempted to go to burger & lobster the other day, no dice at all, they were like oh you have to arrive at 6pm at the latest, which obv doesn't suit the members of our party who, like, have jobs

― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, July 16, 2012

Not me, sadly. I headed to Meat Liquor, Pitt Cue Co and Sputino with some out of town friends early on a weeknight last week and was turned away from each.

Ended up at Meat Market which was okay, though the combination of juice, grease, sauce and onions on the burger I had made it extremely difficult to eat with any dignity.

Anyone planning to check out Flat Iron at The Owl & Pussycat? https://www.facebook.com/FlatIronSteak

That can be years, though: still hard to get into Anchor and Hope, for example, without a mega wait or turning up at peculiar times. Likewise Polpo. Have pretty much stopped trying to get into either.

who leaves their job as early as 5?!

dolly parton, sheena easton's baby.

+ me

yeah i had the same problem w/ pitt cue on a monday night, went round the corner to polpo w/ no problem. i dont understand why somewhere like pitt cue cant just let you go to the pub + then text you when yr table's ready.

funny thing is we ended up at spuntino after failing to get into burger & lobster - my first time, the food was pretty great though i could have done with some of the dishes being larger than a canapé

i had no idea polpo was no-res! never had a problem there even at normal lunchtimes, though i've only ever been there when a PR has taken me out so maybe they know tricks that i don't

I believe you can reserve there at lunch.

Lots of the dishes at Spuntino are larger than canape!

i've never had a prob at anchor and hope, i mean my cousin works there so i'm there a lot, but he doesn't jump me into the queue or anything if i walk in when he's working. have got a seat plenty of times.

i've been to pitt cue a few times now, with relatively painless wait, 20/30 mins maybe. first time i went i waited about 80 mins i'd say, half of which was in the bar with a beer.

and there was 0 persons in the queue for the van under the bridge the other night.

I figured I'd be OK at Anchor and Hope at 8 on a Wednesday evening, nope, the earliest they could accommodate us (table for 2) was like 9.30. This hasn't been uncommon there, to the point that I've stopped trying unless I can get there for 5.30 and get my name on the list - why bother with the stress when I can book a table at Great Queen Street like a civilised person?

but prolly cos everyone went to the wahaca place that just opened or something xpost

Also why is it OK to take a booking in person at 5.30 but not OK to take a booking on the phone at 3.30? It makes no sense to me. Added to the annoying process you have to go through to get onto the list as it stands - kinda hanging around the end of the bar in everyone's way, hoping you're the next to catch the list-person's eye, you're queueing but there's no proper queue, it's uncomfortable and unnecessary. I really enjoy eating there but, as I say, have pretty much given up.

I'm finding it hard to deal with your display name, Ken.

In fairness, the only place with a softening of the great British public's love of a queue is at the bar...

imagine every ken c post consists of

sarcasm v

that'd be ironic

I can't get to the facebook page but is Flat iron the "popup steak and cocktail project featuring craft butchery"? not sure if i can bring myself to go to this.

Haha, I know where you're coming from.

They've toned it down to "New craft butchery, remarkable steak, residency above The Owl & Pussycat" now.

But the photos they've been posting are pretty appealing...

http://twitpic.com/a88yt7

I'll try that again...

http://twitpic.com/a88yt7

ɯsɐɔɹɐs ^

i read something saying the steak should be cheap(ish) because they're using an unusual cut, which sounds like a good idea. of course its no bookings

Also why is it OK to take a booking in person at 5.30 but not OK to take a booking on the phone at 3.30? It makes no sense to me

I suppose in theory someone on the phone at 3:30 can still go "oh no I feel tired" and they might have an empty seat for 5-10 minutes while they wait for the right time to peel back the veneer of civilisation and resell the table.

It depends on the market being there of course, or else you have spare tables at 7 on a Saturday.

Maybe it's possible to do a "partial-booking" policy where you can basically book a time to get first dips into the next table available. So you can phone up at 3:30 and if there's "space" at 6:30pm you can come at 6:30pm and basically join the start of the queue (or some kind of priority queue) You'll still have to wait a little bit but at least it wouldn't be 3 hours. If you don't get there by 7pm then you lose your "table" but can still join the back of the queue.

It may just be complicating the same problem though.

it's basically the phone in version of "getting a ticket to come back later" at the queue

"get a ticket come back later" seems like the perfect solution to me. personally never mind waiting as long as i can sat in a pub while i'm doing it.

yeah those flat-iron steaks are really cheap, but also meant to be very good. never had one but seen them at the butcher. i actually think that place sounds quite fun, though at the moment it's really overwhelming, the amount of new places springing up.

hmmn i would like to do a thread about a sort of esthetic most often found in restaurants and high end foodstores which might derive from st john and that whole minimal food thing

like imagine if there was an avant garde restaurant serving horsemeat...it would be called HORSE....and the menu would just be 4 types of horse steak, and there would be one type of wine, and the chairs and tables would be uncomfortable because they would all be fashioned from dismantled stable blocks

sounds like a goer tbf