Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2012

Ah, well I'm glad that viewpoints different from yours are just "concern trolling".

This is basically what I was talking about:

If it’s a comedy club, the contract is the person’s going to get on stage and explore comedy however they see that comedy is. And the contract for the audience member is to come and see that, and you don’t get a guarantee it’s going to make you laugh, but the comedian is going to attempt to make you laugh. But if they’re not attempting to do material, and the article made [it seem like Tosh was discussing concepts rather than telling jokes]…
A comic should have the freedom to go on stage and say whatever they want. The only control you have is what passes your lips. After, you’re saying “I’ve passed this up to be judged.” Everyone else gets to decide whether it’s funny…all the comics say don’t laugh or leave. Those are your options as an audience member. The bigger discussion for me, is if someone walks into a comedy club and gets a lecture about what’s funny or not funny, has that comedian broken the social contract? That’s the question that I would ask because I don’t have any information about the context he was talking about it. It’s all very confusing. The whole thing, we’re talking about so many issues of what people get away with and what they don’t, and at the end of the day, if you’re going to do material that pushes boundaries, you better be fucking funny and know the purpose of why you’re saying those things.

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/07/13/516116/lizz-winstead/

to whether rape jokes that make victims the butt of jokes are ever acceptable are funny was nothing more than a clever rhetorical trick

I don't think anyone actually asked this question...?

specifically re: jokes that make the victim the butt of jokes

i don't think some people itt know the difference shakes, or care to discern. i know you do and can

gukbe, this is what you said fwiw:

but idk, i see it as "moron girl acts out of order at Daniel Tosh gig, moron Daniel TOsh responds way fucking out of order." so i can't really feel a lot of sympathy.

not knowing the difference and asking the question/steering the conversation that way are two separate things tho. if you want to call out people for being pro-rape-culture-jokes then just do so, no need to be coy about it.

k3vin I'm sorry you missed the original clusterfuck but seriously walking in here and starting a new one is a really uncool look

thread seems to really bring out the axe-grinding... which is sad cuz hey lol joeks amirite

anyone is welcome to go off and make a new gender issues thread or a rape jokes classic or dud thread but if anyone else comes in here and co-opts this thread for some kind of bitchy personal agenda I'm going to crack skulls

metaphorically

how I don't know but I'll figure it out

I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

http://www.jokelibrary.net/words/q_to_w/q-comed-dangerfield.jpg

<3

seriously i think that rodney pic is my safety blanket lol

i stand by what i said kevin. it doesn't mean i condone Tosh's rape jokes, or his behaviour. but we'll just have to disagree on that. let's move on.

Ladies and gentlement, that concludes our troll-feeding session for the morning. next feeding is scheduled for 3pm folks, see you then!

set the controls for the heart of the fun

lol

you were equating the two, which to a different eye might betray some curious priorities. that's what i was saying

xxp

My life is nothing but pressure. All pressure. This pressure is like a heaviness. It’s always on top of me, this heaviness. It’s always there, since I was a kid. Other people wake up in the morning: "A new day! Ah, up and at ’em!" I wake up, the heaviness is waiting for me. Sometimes I even talk to it. I say "Hi, heaviness!" and the heaviness looks back at me: "Today you’re gonna get it good. You’ll be drinking early today."
http://www.jokelibrary.net/words/q_to_w/q-comed-dangerfield.jpg

ok where's that beef thread?

if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

go nuts

k3v, you're welcome to join him. please.

tbf last night k3vin was posting his amazement at how many were otm-ing frogbs in here, so it's not like we had no way of knowing this was coming

i think i'll just post wherever i want, thanks?

i have decided to put on 'no respect' (by put on i mean play on you tube). No ill can touch me for the next hour.

xpost great. I'll thank you in advance for getting a pretty cool rolling thread locked then.

tbf last night k3vin was posting his amazement at how many were otm-ing frogbs in here, so it's not like we had no way of knowing this was coming

― warring hardens (loves laboured breathing), Friday, July 13, 2012 2:18 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yeah, slow work day today so i got caught up :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLs9ozsGFi0

Shakey, have you posted Rodney's most famous contribution to the genre of joke at hand?

I think there's two jokes that qualify - I posted one of them. (the other is a bit more questionable, I think)

involves how ugly his sister is iirc

"I wouldn't get any at all if..."

yeah that's the one I posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0i0RXMvzMs&feature=related

you were equating the two, which to a different eye might betray some curious priorities. that's what i was saying

You really don't have to be the "different eye" though. I personally am not an android and thus I took Gukbe's statement to mean "they were both dumb for different reasons" If you really thought he was going for the "she deserved it" angle, wow dude just, whoa, wow, wow

wow

frog, dude. just don't. seriously.

xpost Goddamn I love Stewart Lee. And I really, truly love the way he can control the crowd by lowering his voice. It's brilliant.

vg, bring it to the beef thread

the pear cider finale of that special is phenomenal, but I don't know if anyone would really get it if they haven't seen the commercial.

xpost

ah screw it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KNGDZhoRyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPsfppxy0kg&feature=relmfu

Tosh fans continue to be unmitigated douchebags:

Karen Elson dared refer on Twitter to comedian Daniel Tosh's telling an audience member that it "would be really funny" if she "got raped by, like, five guys." The supermodel Tweeted, "Daniel Tosh didn't get the memo that it [rape] never was and never will be funny." Immediately, Tosh's army of enraged fans started Tweeting threats at Elson (see the example given at left). Elson took down the Tweet, but added, "Until you have walked in a woman's shoes and have to walk in a world where being sexually harassed is common you may understand my point...The replies I received mostly from young men were vile and only proved my point that rape isn't funny. I also think Daniel Tosh wouldn't want his fans to react this way."

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17spm6pmmauzljpg/medium.jpg

http://kateharding.info/2012/07/13/15-rape-jokes-that-work/

and for balance

http://modernistwitchery.tumblr.com/post/27126517583/a-response-to-lindy-wests-how-to-make-a-rape-joke

I agree with both the Jezebel piece and the critique of it; the original piece makes a point using sweeping, reductive language which, for rhetorical purposes, removes valid viewpoints from the discussion before the meat of the argument is even discussed. This may be an attempt to frame the discussion, it may be intentional disagreement, it may be oversight; I view it as context positioning personally and, as such, it doesn't invalidate the argument presented as much as expose the filter through which the viewpoint is coming.

people are approaching this the wrong way when they complain that Tosh wasn't being very funny when he made his rape remark. He shouldn't have said what he said because it was wrong, and it sincerely frightened the woman in question. comedy is not just a tool for the underdog and it isn't an inherently benevolent concept. It's a weapon for the mob and bullies, too.

In other words, (this is turning into a pre-2007 lengthy post), comedy and laughter can be used for sadistic purposes and so to start making this a case of "guys it's not funny!!" is not only to be naive about comedy, but you're only encouraging more cruelty (because now people will find it funny to needle you further).

I think the problem is that some people, especially in comedy circles, don't want to come off as moralizing so they instead make this an aesthetic issue about what is and is not worthy of laughter. Tosh can't just be a jerk and that alone.

At last, a stand-up I've actually seen :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5IoKVHNXmI

ah you know my wife, my wife. The other day I found out she's been faking orgasms! Yeah, four of my friends told me.

http://www.jokelibrary.net/words/q_to_w/q-comed-dangerfield.jpg

aha that pear cider thing is amazing. felt like standing up in my room and applauding.

So my high school friend who performs as "Tammy Pescatelli" had an interaction with an audience member in Jacksonville, FL the other night; Tammy chided her for sitting in the front row and fucking around on her phone for the whole show, and after some back and forth which included the woman saying, "I'm not actually blonde" and Tammy replying, "No kidding! Who did you think you were fooling," the woman threw a full glass of wine at her head. Luckily she was able to duck, but despite a room full of people willing to make statements, police who were called to the show refused to arrest her. WTF?

I'm filing this away in the always-growing file titled "Jacksonville Is A Shithole".