Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2012

that is not very persuasive

OTOH I don't expect you to have a lo0t of info on the most persuasive part (Bisbee)
Got to give him props for actually perofrming in AZ post-SB1070; probably helps that he lives in Bisbee

many xposts: canks otm i fucking LOVE that Burr takedown. genius.

I kind of wanted to call it the Sister Ray of stand up or something, but that would go far in betraying my own ignorance in the history of stand up/comedy records

I like this Kyle Kinane takedown too, though it's not anywhere near as fiery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfPT48giJw

I love that kinane takedown. It's not as visceral or angry as Burr, but it has that same amazing freeform flow where it almost feels like a worked out bit.

Kinane's awesome live, I would go see him anywhere.

The bit when Burr starts in on the Flyers in that clip is amazing.

his takedown re imaginary rocky vs real joe frazier hits hard

^^^

Film critic RogerEbert.com editor Jim Emerson has harsh words for ILX:

Now, I know some people (including comedians) say there's nothing worse than analyzing humor, that nothing is more harmful to a joke than picking it apart to see how it works. Those people are wrong. And stupid. Nobody who has any respect for comedy would say that. What kills humor is not being funny. Show me a joke that can't stand scrutiny, and I'll show you a hacky joke. The better the joke, the more examination it welcomes and rewards.

Guess he's not reading all the dreadful 'Louie' recaps

I did like this book, Stop Me If You've Heard This: A History and Philosophy of Jokes by Jim Holt
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1256057588l/3360940.jpg
Because it's actually pretty funny.

Meantime:

http://jezebel.com/5925751/daniel-tosh-reportedly-scrambling-to-find-non+rape-joke-before-new-show-premieres-today

ok, i laughed at this

Let's hope that writers, editors, and producers of Brickleberry can help Tosh out of his rape pickle and find a way to de-rape the show. Otherwise, the jokes may have to be reinserted, repeatedly, and without Daniel Tosh's consent.

if all of the rape jokes or references to rape were removed, the show would be only a couple of minutes long and mostly feature stills of the animated characters not talking.

ha!

he's 37! man-child indeed.

everyone should agree to ALWAYS call him "the rape guy" forever.

wow, you knuckleheads really got off easy

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'can't somebody else do it' arguments, great concept

Analyzing humor > standup comedy, God knows.

Kinison's death really put a bounce in my step for days.

<3 ^

lol

Never change good Doc, never change. <3 <3 <3 <3

well i mean it's not my battle to fight exactly and other posters like WCC and laurel are much better equipped and do admirable work, but the derail from what tosh actually said - which is obviously indefensible and is essentially sexual harassment, i would hope everyone on this board agrees (notwithstanding gukbe's concern-trolly "well she should have known her place and stayed quiet, she basically ASKED for it") - to whether rape jokes that make victims the butt of jokes are ever acceptable are funny was nothing more than a clever rhetorical trick. they're not acceptable; they're oppressive and facilitate rape culture. being a stand-up comic does not give you license to be a shitty human being, and anyone with any amount of self-respect should have the right to call that out. that jezebel article about rape jokes was otm - rape is something that can be joked about but it has to be done in a way that isn't oppressive - you're either an ally or you're not, it's pretty simple

k3vin honest question--what did youthink of the other Tosh.0 rape joke posted above (I think by skot..?) the practical joke one? do you think it is less, idk, oppressive?

"well she should have known her place and stayed quiet, she basically ASKED for it"

fuck you buddy i was just saying there's a way to comport yourself. She didn't deserve that and she wasn't asking for it, but there's a time and a place to engage in that conversation and that wasn't it.

I'm all for discussion of the issues surrounding this whole Tosh blowup but I'm NOT for anyone putting words into the mouth of anyone expressing an opinion on it, which is pretty much exactly what has happenede every time this conversation gets anywhere close to being adult.

so either we can talk about it and really talk about it, or we can't because we're children and we can't have nice things.

and it hasn't escaped my notice that half the ppl who are joining this thread to watch the clusterfuck or pick through the aftermath or join the conversation have never heard or seen Tosh anyway...which, honestly...lucky you

yay!

"well she should have known her place and stayed quiet, she basically ASKED for it"

fuck you buddy i was just saying there's a way to comport yourself. She didn't deserve that and she wasn't asking for it, but there's a time and a place to engage in that conversation and that wasn't it.

― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, July 13, 2012 1:38 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

look, you're creating some artificial structure here (the holy comic on his holy stage, where he is not to be disturbed) by which the woman's human feelings and right to express the hurt she feels are secondary to the rights of her oppressor. those may be your priorities but they aren't mine.

Ah, well I'm glad that viewpoints different from yours are just "concern trolling".

This is basically what I was talking about:

If it’s a comedy club, the contract is the person’s going to get on stage and explore comedy however they see that comedy is. And the contract for the audience member is to come and see that, and you don’t get a guarantee it’s going to make you laugh, but the comedian is going to attempt to make you laugh. But if they’re not attempting to do material, and the article made [it seem like Tosh was discussing concepts rather than telling jokes]…
A comic should have the freedom to go on stage and say whatever they want. The only control you have is what passes your lips. After, you’re saying “I’ve passed this up to be judged.” Everyone else gets to decide whether it’s funny…all the comics say don’t laugh or leave. Those are your options as an audience member. The bigger discussion for me, is if someone walks into a comedy club and gets a lecture about what’s funny or not funny, has that comedian broken the social contract? That’s the question that I would ask because I don’t have any information about the context he was talking about it. It’s all very confusing. The whole thing, we’re talking about so many issues of what people get away with and what they don’t, and at the end of the day, if you’re going to do material that pushes boundaries, you better be fucking funny and know the purpose of why you’re saying those things.

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/07/13/516116/lizz-winstead/

to whether rape jokes that make victims the butt of jokes are ever acceptable are funny was nothing more than a clever rhetorical trick

I don't think anyone actually asked this question...?

specifically re: jokes that make the victim the butt of jokes

i don't think some people itt know the difference shakes, or care to discern. i know you do and can

gukbe, this is what you said fwiw:

but idk, i see it as "moron girl acts out of order at Daniel Tosh gig, moron Daniel TOsh responds way fucking out of order." so i can't really feel a lot of sympathy.

not knowing the difference and asking the question/steering the conversation that way are two separate things tho. if you want to call out people for being pro-rape-culture-jokes then just do so, no need to be coy about it.

k3vin I'm sorry you missed the original clusterfuck but seriously walking in here and starting a new one is a really uncool look

thread seems to really bring out the axe-grinding... which is sad cuz hey lol joeks amirite

anyone is welcome to go off and make a new gender issues thread or a rape jokes classic or dud thread but if anyone else comes in here and co-opts this thread for some kind of bitchy personal agenda I'm going to crack skulls

metaphorically

how I don't know but I'll figure it out

I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

http://www.jokelibrary.net/words/q_to_w/q-comed-dangerfield.jpg

<3

seriously i think that rodney pic is my safety blanket lol

i stand by what i said kevin. it doesn't mean i condone Tosh's rape jokes, or his behaviour. but we'll just have to disagree on that. let's move on.

Ladies and gentlement, that concludes our troll-feeding session for the morning. next feeding is scheduled for 3pm folks, see you then!

set the controls for the heart of the fun

lol

you were equating the two, which to a different eye might betray some curious priorities. that's what i was saying

xxp