Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2012

what this means is that 200 years from now, performers will wear tuxedos and present solemn highbrow performances of "I Like To Move It"

And dramatic readings of Adam Sandler's "Gay Robot."

and recitals of 'excerpts from a life ' by frogbs

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this is generously assuming that heckling is a rare thing to happen to an experienced stand-up comic and that a totally predictable response threw him off his game. poor guy! to which i say: NOPE. NO FUCKING WAY. doubling down on how HILARIOUS rape is in response is completely integrated with the rest of his persona & act as a performer.

so you think his reponse there was something he practiced? or that Bill Hicks (to "you suck!" which is way more generic) screaming the word "cunt" over and over was something he planned to do in advance?

what this means is that 200 years from now, performers will wear tuxedos and present solemn highbrow performances of "I Like To Move It"

Please don't make me wait 200 years for this.

well orchestras at their best don't often emulate the feeling of just a guy spontaneously sharing his thoughts with a few friends

99% of comedians should abandon this vibe and do characters onstage, btw. (Of course most of them wouldn't be good at that either.)

Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

as Dangerfield said: "When you go to the movies, do you talk to the screen?"

post-1980, yes they do!

99% of comedians should abandon this vibe and do characters onstage, btw. (Of course most of them wouldn't be good at that either.)

^^^truthbomb

T/S: a comedian playing an easily distinguishable character (ala Stephen Colbert) vs. a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" is the most tired, boring standup comedy persona ever, I absolutely hate it. Occasionally you get people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well, but there is no guarantee that the audience is going to get this.

a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

who are you talking about here? name names. Seinfeld? Sarah Silverman? Chris Rock?

Tosh and Andrew Dice Clay come to mind

people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well

I remember seeing a comedian start a joke with "So I was walking down the street the other day... as far as you know" and I don't even remember the rest of the joke, but I thought that setup was fucking brilliant.

Sarah Silverman is p clearly playing a character and is good at it.

Clay was who I specifically had in mind, but I guess someone could argue that he's always playing a "character". I don't know though, it just seems like a super lazy defense in some cases.

I think Sam Kinison is a better example

froggy, i didn't say it was rehearsed. i said it was consistent with the rest of his act. comedy clubs aren't friendly places imho, if you don't know how to shut a heckler down, you don't get to have a career. his way of shutting this heckler down was to encourage people to laugh at the idea of her being raped. are you seriously going to tell me that "threatening a heckler with gang rape" is somehow out of character? lol, ok.

oh look my very simple explanation of why Phil's analogy didn't work spawned a whole new tangent and Shakey and Morbz bloviation yay

I don't know how anyone could look at Kinison or Clay and not think those guys are playing characters. they're in fucking COSTUME

Sarah Silverman is p clearly playing a character and is good at it.

totally agree, not sure if her audiences always grasp this tho

<i>people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well

I remember seeing a comedian start a joke with "So I was walking down the street the other day... as far as you know" and I don't even remember the rest of the joke, but I thought that setup was fucking brilliant.</i>

Amy Schumer does this, too. "My best friend is black . . . for the purposes of this joke . . ."

elmo - I *do* think it's consistant with this character, but I don't think it's something he would have said had he thought about it for a moment. I assume it's like NBA players shooting free throws; you should be able to make them because it's part of the job, but nobody gets it 100%. A comedian known for edgy race humor doesn't suddenly start making terrible jokes about genocide even if it's consistant with their act.

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I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did. The fact that he apologized (sort of) for this is at least something; he doesn't really apologize for anything otherwise. His bit was about how you can derive humor from really dark places, not just "lol rape".

No, he makes jokes about rape all of the time and usually gets patted on the back for it so he thought this would get his typical response. The only reason he semi-apologized is that this joke got more attention in the media than the rest of his misogynist, racist dreck.

the younger class of bromedians.

I'm totally out of the loop re: this class, I guess. I've heard *of* Tosh, never seen him. I just youtubed about 10 minutes worth, and he's really extremely unfunny.

if you watch all the heckler DESTROYED/OWNED!!!!! videos on youtube you will often see a comedian melt down and just start telling stupid fuckers to fuck off and tell the heckler that they are gay or a pedophile or whatever. just stream of filth reactions that are in no way filtered or considered. they aren't really thinking. jusr spewing.

the thing with guys like Colbert and Dice is that the longer you play a character, the harder it is to separate that character from your real persona

that makes no sense

towards the end of his life, Olivier thought he actually WAS Hamlet

i liked some of a tosh special i saw on netflix but the "shocking" stuff is pretty ho hum really. he has pretty good delivery and he looks squeaky clean so that's kinda half the shock value. you don't expect him to be as foul as he can be.

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actually that's true of sarah silverman too. i just think she's funnier.

No, he makes jokes about rape all of the time and usually gets patted on the back for it so he thought this would get his typical response. The only reason he semi-apologized is that this joke got more attention in the media than the rest of his misogynist, racist dreck.

Making a joke about rape in a set and telling a specific person they should get raped are different things. He knows this, hence the apology.

we don't actually know how the audience reacted, do we? maybe they loved it.

emo and judy tenuta look so normal now. they look really nice normal. same with bobcat.

You forgot the square quotes around "apology".

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Making a joke about rape in a set and telling a specific person they should get raped are different things. He knows this, hence the apology.

There may be a difference, but I don't think that's going to be that big of a distinction to a person like Tosh.

Tweet a moment ago from Anthony Jeselnik (who's kind of Tosh-y, but gets more passes because he's less fratty, maybe?):

yeah (ugh jeselnik) but the interesting thing is that tosh used to get the same passes back in the day. his CC special basically gave him a "dane cook for dudes in sweatervests" rep.

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I really, really think you want to qualify this post.

Just curious, if you flag post the same user for different posts on the same thread, does it count?

I don't think so

Let's all just focus on flagging the obvious one here guys.

I don't know why flag post even exists since it has no effect.

well, i can't really remember specifics now and i don't feel like scrolling up, but i think he's operating in generally reasonable areas.

but idk, i see it as "moron girl acts out of order at Daniel Tosh gig, moron Daniel TOsh responds way fucking out of order." so i can't really feel a lot of sympathy.

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towards the end of his life, Olivier thought he actually WAS Hamlet

that's not really a good analogy at all. guys like Colbert and Dice are consistantly writing for themselves, doing interviews "in character", and being forced to improvise and get inside their character's mindspace. you can see how their material changes over time.

this whole schtick is out of order

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I don't think you really grasp the concept/practice of "acting"

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