Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2012

aka "you're dumb, lol"

how do you really feel about me horseshoe? have you posted your thoughts anywhere?

feel like I should post the story about Mitt Romney getting heckled at the NAACP convention here

i think we are all ignoring the bigger story here: dane cook opens for tosh now?

i'm sure that wouldn't be the case if they did a big tour together, but in clubs the biggest name often doesn't go last

I would say that Tosh is a bigger draw than Cook right now

aka "you're dumb, lol"

No, because I wasn't responding to you.

somebody please explain how a comedian "not actually believing" their evil rape jokes makes them any less of a terrible person

whoa whoa whoa jon. i'm talking about horseshoe's statement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOlqbo0zZdI

whoa whoa whoa jon. i'm talking about horseshoe's statement

fair enough, this is where an "xpost" would've come in handy though since, in my defense, i used "lol" in the preceeding post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6SWN0WOq44&feature=related

that first scott video, "I'm just showing that racism exists" is like the entire thinking between the "humor" of Carlos Mencia, Tosh, Seth MacFarlane. Such a drag.

i don't think that's quite the same thing, he was making fun of people who ask "which one are you?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfWucj5UoMY

somebody please explain how a comedian "not actually believing" their evil rape jokes makes them any less of a terrible person

I think in general when comedians get heckled it activates a rush of panic and adrenaline and their instinct is to destroy the person immediately because if they start to relent or stall for time, it ruins the show in a way. The heckler scene in Louie is a great portrayal of this - many people in that thread said "the woman deserved it" and maybe she did, but Louie's mixture of increasingly cruel, badly formed jokes felt like it was losing the audience, and I think comedians fear this a lot. They think "what is the most vile and mean-spirited thing I can say to this person right now", and some comedians choose really poorly (Michael Richards and Tracy Morgan are good examples). I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did. The fact that he apologized (sort of) for this is at least something; he doesn't really apologize for anything otherwise. His bit was about how you can derive humor from really dark places, not just "lol rape".

hall-of-fame frogs performance itt

Retire his number.

It does really amaze me that, out of all forms of popular entertainment, standup comedy is the one where people seem to most misperceive it as a dialogue. (Perhaps matched only by music at club shows.) Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

anyway, the reality is that only a few comedians really handle hecklers well (the Bill Hicks thing is like a 10/10 on the "whoa" scale, but I wouldn't say he handled it well at all)

does really amaze me that, out of all forms of popular entertainment, standup comedy is the one where people seem to most misperceive it as a dialogue. (Perhaps matched only by music at club shows.) Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:43 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

well orchestras at their best don't often emulate the feeling of just a guy spontaneously sharing his thoughts with a few friends

i mean heckling sucks sure but i'm not going to pretend the impulse is completely alien and illogical in that context

would go to more classical gigs if phil's scenario played out more often

I can totally imagine Phil's scenario

Tweet a moment ago from Anthony Jeselnik (who's kind of Tosh-y, but gets more passes because he's less fratty, maybe?):

@anthonyjeselnik
An offended audience member repeating a comedian's act from memory is worse than, literally, anything.

There's no video of the Tosh thing, is there?

ugh Jeselnik

I feel like if Tosh had, like, a second to think about his response, he would have known it was a bad idea to say what he did.

this is generously assuming that heckling is a rare thing to happen to an experienced stand-up comic and that a totally predictable response threw him off his game. poor guy! to which i say: NOPE. NO FUCKING WAY. doubling down on how HILARIOUS rape is in response is completely integrated with the rest of his persona & act as a performer.

Classical Musicians are usually dressed up though - a comedian looks like you (unless it's Carrot Top (or you're Carrot Top)) and a lot of the time cultivates this sense of someone like you but funnier.

My wife works at Cleveland Institute of Music and there are student recitals all the time. I'm totally going to start heckling them. ("Nice 'presto,' I guess, if we're at a fucking funeral.")

*cups hands around mouth*

BOOOOOOORINGGGG

if you read about classical music performances from 19th and 18th century they were filled with yelling and screaming and people throwing things at the orchestra if they didn't like the performance. was not at all like it is today.

same with theatre crowds back then too.

what this means is that 200 years from now, performers will wear tuxedos and present solemn highbrow performances of "I Like To Move It"

And dramatic readings of Adam Sandler's "Gay Robot."

and recitals of 'excerpts from a life ' by frogbs

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418O4tphJbL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

this is generously assuming that heckling is a rare thing to happen to an experienced stand-up comic and that a totally predictable response threw him off his game. poor guy! to which i say: NOPE. NO FUCKING WAY. doubling down on how HILARIOUS rape is in response is completely integrated with the rest of his persona & act as a performer.

so you think his reponse there was something he practiced? or that Bill Hicks (to "you suck!" which is way more generic) screaming the word "cunt" over and over was something he planned to do in advance?

what this means is that 200 years from now, performers will wear tuxedos and present solemn highbrow performances of "I Like To Move It"

Please don't make me wait 200 years for this.

well orchestras at their best don't often emulate the feeling of just a guy spontaneously sharing his thoughts with a few friends

99% of comedians should abandon this vibe and do characters onstage, btw. (Of course most of them wouldn't be good at that either.)

Can you imagine someone standing up in the middle of an orchestra performance and saying, "Hey, third violinist from the right! You're consistently flat on the fast passages and your vibrato sucks!"

as Dangerfield said: "When you go to the movies, do you talk to the screen?"

post-1980, yes they do!

99% of comedians should abandon this vibe and do characters onstage, btw. (Of course most of them wouldn't be good at that either.)

^^^truthbomb

T/S: a comedian playing an easily distinguishable character (ala Stephen Colbert) vs. a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" is the most tired, boring standup comedy persona ever, I absolutely hate it. Occasionally you get people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well, but there is no guarantee that the audience is going to get this.

a comedian whose offstage demeanour is completely indistinguishable from their performances but pulls out the "playing a character" defense when called on saying some offensive shit

who are you talking about here? name names. Seinfeld? Sarah Silverman? Chris Rock?

Tosh and Andrew Dice Clay come to mind

people who understand that even the "just a guy thinkin baout stuff" persona is a construct/character in and of itself and use it really well

I remember seeing a comedian start a joke with "So I was walking down the street the other day... as far as you know" and I don't even remember the rest of the joke, but I thought that setup was fucking brilliant.

Sarah Silverman is p clearly playing a character and is good at it.

Clay was who I specifically had in mind, but I guess someone could argue that he's always playing a "character". I don't know though, it just seems like a super lazy defense in some cases.

I think Sam Kinison is a better example