OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

nabisco otm up to the point where we wouldn't have discussed orange marmalade splooge today, cause that would have been a great loss

also keep in mind mabisco, you aren't going to change anyone's mind! the reason i hate these issue threads is because guess what? they never change anyone's mind, like ever.

as my better half likes to say: "You aren't going to save the world on the internet."

yeah a day with a gruntfuttock is not a day wasted

i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, and you are all causing this flame-out over absolutely fuck-all. i had little or no interest in the original thread, but you have caused it to be of interest to me with your colour-sensitive fingertips. the whole thing has been unnecessary. what i was trying to say with that sentence which nabisco couldn't make sense out of is that nothing either by us or in the original thread premise was actually racist, and your collective reaction has painted us all in a disgusting light. none of us are racist, all of us are totally against racism, yet you have manipulated the situation to make it seem as though we turn a blind eye to it. this is fucking pathetic of all of you.

Haha I'm trying to avoid arguing with LJ, mostly

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=52391

No, you are going to save it in the BAR, where we spend the REST of our time talking about stupid shit.

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modest!

BLAH BLAH BLAH I"M BRITISH I DRESS UP LIKE A GIRL LOAD YOUR COCK WITH GUMMYBEARS AND COME ON MY FACE

hahahahahaha XPOST

which is that the issue is how the caricature resembles a whole HISTORY of race-caricatures that most of us are not entirely fond of these days.

This is a fair point. What I was trying to get at was that the intention should be a key factor here (though I accept offensiveness is defined by the offended) - I don't think anyone here, or that many people in the world at large, are taking the piss out of him because he is black. It is fair to say though that many of us aren't as sensitive as we should be about portraying stereotypes, even unintentionally.

In Britain there's a rich vein of football piss takery on TV and radio, from Schmeichel's stupid red nose to Cantona's monobrow to (insert fat footballer of choice)'s big arse including every dodgy haircut along the way. Ronaldinho is as famous as they get (apart from Beckham who is good enough looking that people resorted to laughing at his voice and bad mouthing his wife) having been world footballer of the year three times and fronting numerous Nike campaigns - so he's considered fair game. If you're going to pick a feature to lambast it's kind of hard to miss those teeth.

That's not to say there isn't a problem with racism in football.

Louis Jagger, bringing the lolz!

That's not to say there isn't a problem with racism in football.

There's a massive problem, but the issues are separate!

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really? I don't get how you can be so sure the issues are separate?

the issue of exaggerated representation of a black soccer player + the issue of bad treatment of black soccer players, I mean.

DO NOT ENGAGE THE CRAZYBOT

(xpost: Ally OTM)

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY INTO JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

I actually wanted to do what someone else did upthread, and repeat this a dozen times in a row because--good god!--it's all that's been running through my mind for the past few minutes I've been reading this thread. I think it's gone and worn a indelible track in my mind.

Really, this is not the most egregious thing I've ever seen, but that doesn't change the fact that IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY INTO JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.

i love that lil panda duder

hey guys, i think michael richards kind of had a point....

i mean, if blacks were heckling whites a hundred years ago, they WOULD be hanging from a tree, you know?

guys, i don't really like popcorn? what do you all think of that. especially louis.

Louis kind of OTM about the way that people are choosing to extrapolate "I don't see taking the piss out of a man who is black as being equivalent to taking the piss out of that man's blackness" to mean "I never see race ever" = "I would be racist and not even realise it".

the issue of exaggerated representation of a black soccer player + the issue of bad treatment of black soccer players, I mean.

jesus wept

the vast majority of racism in football involves the fans, the thuggish hooligans who go out after the match and bash up those of (all) different racial creeds. it doesn't take einstein to work out that this is completely unrelated to the issue of a caricatured [s]black[/s] soccer player.

you know what's wild about popcorn? if you eat a bunch, and then later you get sick, you just barf liquid! THERE'S NOTHING LEFT!

I'm not saying there's a causal relationship. it seems curious that you're so sure there's no relationship.

Apparently it takes an Einstein to figure out how to use [strike].

sorry, that didn't have the right impact, I meant:

the issue of a caricatured black soccer player.

That's totally not true. That shit is pulpy.

THANK YOU DAN PERRY YOU MAY STOP BEING A CONDESCENDING FUCK NOW

Louis kind of OTM about the way that people are choosing to extrapolate "I don't see taking the piss out of a man who is black as being equivalent to taking the piss out of that man's blackness" to mean "I never see race ever" = "I would be racist and not even realise it".

ailsa on Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:05 PM (25 seconds ago)

It is not "taking the piss out of a man's blackness," it is using offensive images to sell a bottle opener. Get over it.

Also, I don't see how someone can be "kind of" OTM. Especially Louis!

BECAUSE WHO WOULDNT WANT A BLACK DUDE TO OPEN MY BEER BOTTLES WITH HIS MOUTH AT ALL TIMES RITE

i have never puked popcorn, you freak

it doesn't take einstein to work out that this is completely unrelated to the issue of a caricatured [s]black[/s] soccer player.

YOU ARE SO
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i know this post is going to be xposted to fuck and back so i'm just going to wait a second and make it worse.

what if you could open bottles with your ass? that would be cool.

if i understand the it-s-all-a-bit-racist argument at all, the fundamental point seems to be that you should avoid caricaturing features on a Black person (in this instance) where the result resembles something that has previously been used racially. although i understand the sensitivity, i think that's too extreme, and however lame the bottle opener is, the caricature is more than justified for this individual. is there more to the argument that i'm missing? if not, we won't get any further than agreeing to differ.

Dan Perry = bane of the crazies.

what if you could open bottles WITH YOUR MIND

Or even do it deliberately, as chicago kevin was suggesting.

(xpost to myself, if people are posting to roffle at me agreeing with Louis)

WHAT IF YOU COULD OPEN BOTTLES WITH THE END OF RACISM

the caricature is more than justified for this individual.

Roberto, ladies and gents: CARICATURE POLICE

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*head explodes*

the caricature is more than justified for this individual

i mean like all chinese people have little eyes so its totally justified for me to tape my eyelids and pretend to be chinese

but I guess I'm making more sense of the seeming gap here if racism is being defined something those "thuggish hooligans" do.

BAN SOCCER

Of course this is fucking racist. Jesus.

As a British person I would like to disassociate myself with half the above posts. I'm sorry.

defined "solely" I meant