Should I go fishing or get a friend to hang around? Celebrated GAY Summer 2012

There'll always be:

Prince &
Jam &
Lewis &
Owl City

no i didn't know that morbzu!

hinjaculation! who knew?!

Who knew it would hurt like hell to piss later?!

btw the Leather Archives & Museum in Chicago has one section devoted to the growth of the Bear movement out of the S&M/Leather scene, and the title on the wall is "From Sir to Grrrr."

They also have a nice library I could've browsed for hours.

could you get an interlibrary loan

lol @ perineum is like Ontario: Yours to Discover.

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/89/220866771_08fa474e61.jpg

hi owen

loved that bruce article

def want to check out the leather archives when i'm in chicago

morbs i own (and love) that leather nun 12" in case i lost any cred in your eyes with the ABBA poll ;)

never! :D

I feel like such an awful queer for not having seen "No Skin" yet, esp after having had a New Queer Cinema phase

I pretty much prefer Araki to BLaB, even tho Gregg had a rather uninspired run in the mid to late '90s.

speaking of queer filmmakers, Morbs, do you like Gael Morel's work? He's the cutie gay protag of Techiné's Wild Reeds; now a writer-director. I watched Full Speed last night, starring Stéphane Rideau (yum) and Elodie Bbouchez: a muddled take on WR material.

Most of the Araki movies I've seen are "better" than every BLaB, but I much prefer the splatter-paint politicking in the latter's.

i haven't seen 'the living end' but the only araki i've seen and liked is 'mysterious skin'

Actually, no, both Splendor and Smiley Face are definitely worse than Otto.

I would agree that the only Araki film (that I've seen) as good as The Raspberry Reich in the last 15+ years is Mysterious Skin.

I'm sure the only Morel-directed film I've seen is The Clan aka 3 Dancing Slaves, which is just OK. This Deneuve vehicle looks intriguing, especially since I thought NYC arthouses released everything she's in, but apparently not!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0922354/

What's the best REAL (forlacknof a better word) Araki film to watch to see if I like him? Love love love MYSTERIOUS SKIN but I always figured it was anomalous (based on a book, seems more grounded/plot-centric than his 90s stuff). Have KABOOM high up in my rental queue right now.

Never seen any LaBruce, but I edited a piece on hum for PopMatters last year and it all sounds pretty yucky.

Also, hey Owen!

The Living End is okay. He's written some of the worst dialogue ever said aloud by hapless hunks.

my fave Araki film -- micro budget, louche teenagers -- is Totally F***ed Up.

I hear Kaboom! is really embarrassing but have not seen. Didn't he make a movie based on Mark Beyer's "Amy & Jordan" strips?

a friend once said of araki that "his films resist any kind of bourgeois closure" which i feel like is just a nice way to say "he doesn't really know how to write a screenplay"?

never heard that and don't know the Beyer comic, but apparently ppl see connections in The Doom Generation (which I loathed):

http://wondersinthedark.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/were-depressed-mark-beyers-amy-and-jordan-and-gregg-arakis-the-doom-generation-on-page-and-screen/

xp

a few points:

- "If city gays hang out only with other gays, it usually means they’re boring, unadventurous, and parochial queens who think vaginas smell like fish. I have an announcement for these bitches: You’re basic." THIS IS SO OTM IT HURTS ME.

- Other than Mysterious Skin, Araki has made a lot of films that are edgy and interesting if you're a rebellious punk/gay teenager. (I remember watching TFU and The Doom Generation around the same time that the 'coming out' episode of Dawson's Creek was on). In other words, most of his films are fucking garbage.

- I don't understand this notion of the "new dire homo-normativity." Explain?

- I have wanted to watch Morel's films for a while. Worth it?

BLaB wrote about my new screenname. I just adopted it as my own because, let's be honest. :)

I presume he's talking about gays who blend, pass, or are otherwise non- (and hence, anti-) radical.

I don't think I could hang out only with other gays if I tried, esp since most of you who were here have left me. #abandonmentisssues

oh so the New Dire Homonormativity is the reason i stopped going to gay bars where people my own age assemble? eugh.

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/331365_10150399108060797_476597324_o.jpg

That doesn't look like what I was picturing from the NDH.

lol the guy in the middle, my favorite

that's what it looks like to me. but yknow, i'm weird.

tabes, weren't you planning to travel our way in July? Anyone else,there are arty "queer interventions" going on this month, including one w/ mirrored masks & video at my friend's DJ night in W'burg this Saturday:

http://onlocation.dirtylooksnyc.org/

also, this is a chance to see Loads at the old Adonis Theatre! :o

haha, no, that does not look like homonormativity to me, bless you table. not enough hollister gear or armani exchange french-cut briefs iirc.

Yeah, I was thinking more like polos and skinny jeans and promise rings.

is that in LA? think i've seen some of the ppl in that photo around these parts

tbh one of the reasons i was really sad about the other side closing was that it's one of the few queer spaces in LA where older and younger gays coexist peacefully

iirc the new dire homonormativity is a gay porn tumblr of airbrushed teenflesh gifs run through instagram filters

i can't. i refuse to get instagram. i really don't ever want it. please don't make me

Tho it would be kinda fun to live in a mindset that regards that crew as hopelessly normative.

just took a look at that dirty looks map - the screening of the anti-'cruising' doc and 'sodom' is an inspired curatorial choice ('sodom' rules btw)

i think that my knowledge of homonormativity is incredibly skewed. even the 'norms' in SF bars i occasionally go to do not wear A/X, Hollister, or any of that stuff.

to me, the new dire homonormativity is more young gay men who are obsessed with avant-garde fashion, pop music, sex, and nothing else. two of the people in that photo above have told me, "You think too much." which might be true, but christ, my knowledge and love of partying is pretty well-known. i just don't do it (or see the point in doing it) in the same way as most other fags.

a gay porn tumblr of airbrushed teenflesh gifs run through instagram filters

Hello, http://fyeahhipsterboys.tumblr.com/

I need to clean out my account one of these days.

to me, the new dire homonormativity is more young gay men who are obsessed with avant-garde fashion, pop music, sex, and nothing else. two of the people in that photo above have told me, "You think too much.]

also known as the old dire heteronormativity

Alas, I was not here when Sodom ran.

Showing William E. Jones' Tearoom at Julius' is a pretty wild idea. Some of the patrons may be in the film!

I don't doubt "normativity" means different things to different places, but I'm mostly speculating based on the context BLaB is covering/railing against.

Which, since it's Vice, maybe I'm wrong.

i tend to interpret the NDH as like "let's do our best to look acceptable for the GLAAD/HRC crowd" kind of stuff

*pre-emptively nails down lid on can of worms*

xxxxxxp

yeah, if that's the new homo-normativity, then i might not even be gay anymore. because compared to those folks, i look so buttoned up and bland it's not even funny. ah well.

it was nice being queer while it lasted. hard to keep up with the constantly-shifting goalposts of what is sufficiently outside-society's-approval.

guys, it hurts my fingers and brain trying to spell "normativity"

I think he's pinpointing post-clubgoing people who want to get married, shop out of catalogs, die in Obamney's next war, and say "SEE, we are JUST like you are."