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You know there are white jamaicans, Indian Jamaicans, Chinese Jamaicans, right?

i am reminded suddenly of this hilarious old thread: Generic Rap Song

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:12 (thirteen years ago)

I'm not sure the involvement of Jamaicans made a lot of the stuff surrounding Major Lazer less offensive but, in general, having some level of understanding of the culture beyond the cliches is definitely pretty important in getting a night like this right.

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:13 (thirteen years ago)

The chicken was amazing, the plantains were really thin and crisp on the outside but still a bit chewy, and it was in no way promoted as some sort of "authentic Jamaican experience". TBH you wouldn't have even known there was a food special if you hasn't sat down at a table to order food (it's a venue w a bar and dance floor too)

alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:00 (thirteen years ago)

I am cool with Browner Jeff being called such if there's another dude named Jeff who is lighter

I approve of this night only because I like the idea of being able to go somewhere and eat plantains

hot sauce delivery device (mh), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:00 (thirteen years ago)

It wasn't like reheated frozen patties or some shit. Also I think I heard Sister Nancy at some point

alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:03 (thirteen years ago)

but still a bit chewy

I've only had them a few times but isn't that, well, basically plantains?

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:06 (thirteen years ago)

Is it Ok for white people to call 50 Cent "Fiddy"

calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:08 (thirteen years ago)

ok folx i have one i'm genuinely on the fence about

there's a queer-friendly event/club night that happens here occasionally called "Grown and Sexy". it's mostly a DJ thing but i guess there's other stuff like queer burlesque and maybe bands, idk

http://www.citypages.com/2011-12-28/calendar/grown-and-sexy-new-year-s-eve/
http://www.citypages.com/slideshow/grown-and-sexy-37131923/

anyway, i've always understood that term to be in reference to black-oriented events pitched at an older audience. dress codes, no rap, that kind of thing.

so... appropriation? or not? Is This Racist?

du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:21 (thirteen years ago)

/but still a bit chewy/

I've only had them a few times but isn't that, well, basically plantains?

Well I mean they were sliced super-thin and could have been fried til crispy but they weren't, idk all the plantains I've had have been large plantain chunks like tostones and not house-made plantain chips.

alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:27 (thirteen years ago)

a browner shade of jeff

i don't think usage of "grown and sexy" is racist

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:32 (thirteen years ago)

yeah

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:34 (thirteen years ago)

idk it just seemed... rude to me.

like if some indie bicycle bacon bring-your-dog event was called "off the chain" or something. yes, haha.

du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (thirteen years ago)

brown n sexy

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (thirteen years ago)

I haven't shaved for a long time and someone called me chocolate jesus (I have v long hair), it made me p uncomfortable for whatever reason, but I was able to say "more like, chocolate lazy"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:37 (thirteen years ago)

i assume chocolate jesus would be hollow inside

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:50 (thirteen years ago)

props to SD's abdul ref btw

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:51 (thirteen years ago)

reach out and eat me.

pplains, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:58 (thirteen years ago)

cool thx 4 that

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

it'll be playing in my fuckin head all day now

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

this doesn't scan as racist to me

besides isn't like half of reggae african cultural tourism anyway?

the late great, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

props to SD's abdul ref btw

wait, me? What?

alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:00 (thirteen years ago)

he means my display name

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:01 (thirteen years ago)

like if some indie bicycle bacon bring-your-dog event was called "off the chain" or something

this doesn't raise any alarms for me, tbh. dumb, but not something i'd consider having concerned words over.

contenderizer, Thursday, 12 July 2012 00:12 (thirteen years ago)

yeah goole you might be overthinking that one a bit, unless it was packaged in like gothic script and "urban" stylings. basic ppl say 'off the chain' now, calling an imaginary (but v v possible esp in mpls) event maybe racist is a little hand-wringy.

if anything such an event would be ageist because no one my age thinks anything is off anything else unless it's a hook

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 00:59 (thirteen years ago)

off tm

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)

^^^ ageist

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

i think she was making an 'on the money' joke

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:28 (thirteen years ago)

By "my age" do you mean your distinguished colleagues of my approximate years, or tiny tiny babies?

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

Remember I am very old.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

idiom is cyclical, the decrepit are almost always the mothers of youthful invention, i look forward to the day when my brood gathers about my knee all babbling "cool beans!"

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:37 (thirteen years ago)

nb i have never uttered the phrase 'cool beans' and may god strike me down the day that happens

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:38 (thirteen years ago)

I caught myself using "hella" yesterday.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

lol at Laurel being "very old"

hot sauce delivery device (mh), Thursday, 12 July 2012 04:52 (thirteen years ago)

I think I have blouses that are older than most of the women on ILX.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 12 July 2012 05:50 (thirteen years ago)

who among us does not say off the chain?????

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Thursday, 12 July 2012 07:57 (thirteen years ago)

i don't think i've ever heard anyone say that phrase unironically

Nhex, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:34 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEO805O76qM

Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:57 (thirteen years ago)

To be safe, I never utter anything unironically

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 12 July 2012 15:15 (thirteen years ago)

This week's neo-fascist bloopers summer special:

Plan B in Skrewdriver t-shirt blunder, oops that's embarrassing:
http://thequietus.com/articles/09423-plan-b-apology-for-skrewdriver-t-shirt-misunderstanding

Opera singer withdraws from Bayreuth festival due to having a swastika tattooed on his chest wtf:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/22/russian-singer-quits-bayreuth-festival

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:06 (thirteen years ago)

So that opera singer changes his chest tat from this:

http://static.blogo.it/soundsblog/nikitin_evgeny-400x300-432x324.jpg

...to this:

http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/nikitin-27562424-mbqf-25247682/2,h=493.bild.jpg

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:10 (thirteen years ago)

What I haven't seen commented on is the fact that he still plainly has the Algis rune on his chest, hello:
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/neo_nazi_life_rune.asp

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:13 (thirteen years ago)

I was gonna say!

PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 11:31 (thirteen years ago)

nazis stole all the best symbols : (

how's life, Monday, 23 July 2012 11:46 (thirteen years ago)

a white rapper actually wearing a white-power T-shirt in public is like a Paris song coming to life

camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 July 2012 12:57 (thirteen years ago)

The shirt's image is from a photograph in one of those SKINHEAD CULTURE straight-ups books (not Nick Knight's SKINHEAD but similar) - it's not a Skr3wdriver tee. Subject is standing in front of a wall with the band's name graffiti-scrawled upon it.

Still, an avoidable shitstorm because that's not immediately obvious and it appears nobody involved knew the reference, anyway: I probably would've asked the stylist to change shirts to have a few looks for the shoot... and then winnow out the offensive shirt when choosing the images for the feature. Dumb, dumb Shortlist fashion department. Dumb, dumb Plan B - when musicians dress for a shoot, it's important for them to remember that an exchange of views about wardrobe choices with everyone who sees an image in a magazine is impossible.

higgs' besom (suzy), Monday, 23 July 2012 13:37 (thirteen years ago)

I kind of can't get over the fact that dude calls himself Plan B tbh

PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 13:38 (thirteen years ago)

it's because he is taken orally after unprotected sex

contenderizer, Monday, 23 July 2012 14:07 (thirteen years ago)

iirc this book is about race war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_B_(novel)

bamcquern, Monday, 23 July 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

odds of a skinhead being a chester himes fan probably pretty low tho

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 July 2012 17:53 (thirteen years ago)

This just in: Plan B is not a skinhead, not wearing a white power t-shirt.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 July 2012 18:12 (thirteen years ago)


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