Looking forward to the electronica and brautwurst night featuring Brauner Jeff.
― pplains, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
You know there are white jamaicans, Indian Jamaicans, Chinese Jamaicans, right?
Also, paramount to me is that the chicken is good, the plantain not too soggy and the whole event not just be some Red Stripe promotion thing.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
originally thought you wrote "I think you can't just call the mere existence of the night racist" and i was trying to figure out what you meant by defending the nighttime from charges of racism xxp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
so by this logic, there wouldn't be anything weird/off about a white Jamaican calling himself Browner Jeff because he's Jamaican?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Wd be great & smart to have someone who is actually Jamaican consulting on this? Ime people who love and collect Jamaican music will have made friends w people from Jamaica, will have collaborated on things w them, will have been to Jamaica in search of records/history--generally are respectful of this thing that they love and benefit from but aren't the inheritors of.
Also if Jamaicans are involved then it can have the angle of being "the sounds and tastes of home" for ex-pats instead of straight tourism for outsiders.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
i am reminded suddenly of this hilarious old thread: Generic Rap Song
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure the involvement of Jamaicans made a lot of the stuff surrounding Major Lazer less offensive but, in general, having some level of understanding of the culture beyond the cliches is definitely pretty important in getting a night like this right.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
The chicken was amazing, the plantains were really thin and crisp on the outside but still a bit chewy, and it was in no way promoted as some sort of "authentic Jamaican experience". TBH you wouldn't have even known there was a food special if you hasn't sat down at a table to order food (it's a venue w a bar and dance floor too)
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I am cool with Browner Jeff being called such if there's another dude named Jeff who is lighter
I approve of this night only because I like the idea of being able to go somewhere and eat plantains
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
It wasn't like reheated frozen patties or some shit. Also I think I heard Sister Nancy at some point
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
but still a bit chewy
I've only had them a few times but isn't that, well, basically plantains?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
Is it Ok for white people to call 50 Cent "Fiddy"
― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
ok folx i have one i'm genuinely on the fence about
there's a queer-friendly event/club night that happens here occasionally called "Grown and Sexy". it's mostly a DJ thing but i guess there's other stuff like queer burlesque and maybe bands, idk
http://www.citypages.com/2011-12-28/calendar/grown-and-sexy-new-year-s-eve/http://www.citypages.com/slideshow/grown-and-sexy-37131923/
anyway, i've always understood that term to be in reference to black-oriented events pitched at an older audience. dress codes, no rap, that kind of thing.
so... appropriation? or not? Is This Racist?
― du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
/but still a bit chewy/I've only had them a few times but isn't that, well, basically plantains?
Well I mean they were sliced super-thin and could have been fried til crispy but they weren't, idk all the plantains I've had have been large plantain chunks like tostones and not house-made plantain chips.
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
a browner shade of jeff
i don't think usage of "grown and sexy" is racist
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
yeah
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
idk it just seemed... rude to me.
like if some indie bicycle bacon bring-your-dog event was called "off the chain" or something. yes, haha.
― du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
brown n sexy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't shaved for a long time and someone called me chocolate jesus (I have v long hair), it made me p uncomfortable for whatever reason, but I was able to say "more like, chocolate lazy"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
i assume chocolate jesus would be hollow inside
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
props to SD's abdul ref btw
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
reach out and eat me.
― pplains, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
cool thx 4 that
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
it'll be playing in my fuckin head all day now
this doesn't scan as racist to me
besides isn't like half of reggae african cultural tourism anyway?
― the late great, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
wait, me? What?
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
he means my display name
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
like if some indie bicycle bacon bring-your-dog event was called "off the chain" or something
this doesn't raise any alarms for me, tbh. dumb, but not something i'd consider having concerned words over.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 12 July 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah goole you might be overthinking that one a bit, unless it was packaged in like gothic script and "urban" stylings. basic ppl say 'off the chain' now, calling an imaginary (but v v possible esp in mpls) event maybe racist is a little hand-wringy.
if anything such an event would be ageist because no one my age thinks anything is off anything else unless it's a hook
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
off tm
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ ageist
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
i think she was making an 'on the money' joke
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
By "my age" do you mean your distinguished colleagues of my approximate years, or tiny tiny babies?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
Remember I am very old.
idiom is cyclical, the decrepit are almost always the mothers of youthful invention, i look forward to the day when my brood gathers about my knee all babbling "cool beans!"
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
nb i have never uttered the phrase 'cool beans' and may god strike me down the day that happens
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
I caught myself using "hella" yesterday.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
lol at Laurel being "very old"
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Thursday, 12 July 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
I think I have blouses that are older than most of the women on ILX.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 12 July 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
who among us does not say off the chain?????
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Thursday, 12 July 2012 07:57 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think i've ever heard anyone say that phrase unironically
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEO805O76qM
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
To be safe, I never utter anything unironically
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 12 July 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
This week's neo-fascist bloopers summer special:
Plan B in Skrewdriver t-shirt blunder, oops that's embarrassing:http://thequietus.com/articles/09423-plan-b-apology-for-skrewdriver-t-shirt-misunderstanding
Opera singer withdraws from Bayreuth festival due to having a swastika tattooed on his chest wtf:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/22/russian-singer-quits-bayreuth-festival
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
So that opera singer changes his chest tat from this:
http://static.blogo.it/soundsblog/nikitin_evgeny-400x300-432x324.jpg
...to this:
http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/nikitin-27562424-mbqf-25247682/2,h=493.bild.jpg
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:10 (eleven years ago) link
What I haven't seen commented on is the fact that he still plainly has the Algis rune on his chest, hello:http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/neo_nazi_life_rune.asp
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
I was gonna say!
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 11:31 (eleven years ago) link
nazis stole all the best symbols : (
― how's life, Monday, 23 July 2012 11:46 (eleven years ago) link
a white rapper actually wearing a white-power T-shirt in public is like a Paris song coming to life
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 July 2012 12:57 (eleven years ago) link
The shirt's image is from a photograph in one of those SKINHEAD CULTURE straight-ups books (not Nick Knight's SKINHEAD but similar) - it's not a Skr3wdriver tee. Subject is standing in front of a wall with the band's name graffiti-scrawled upon it.
Still, an avoidable shitstorm because that's not immediately obvious and it appears nobody involved knew the reference, anyway: I probably would've asked the stylist to change shirts to have a few looks for the shoot... and then winnow out the offensive shirt when choosing the images for the feature. Dumb, dumb Shortlist fashion department. Dumb, dumb Plan B - when musicians dress for a shoot, it's important for them to remember that an exchange of views about wardrobe choices with everyone who sees an image in a magazine is impossible.
― higgs' besom (suzy), Monday, 23 July 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link