Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2012

fwiw, i have never been to a comedy club and i probably never will be. just not my bag. two drink minimum? pfft.

i mean i just think they should be censorship-free zones. comedy stages. you can hate it or yell at the guy or leave but he should be able to be as dumb as he wants to be on that stage. if he had said that on the street to someone i would have an entirely different opinion.

Oh, he can say whateverthefuck he wants. He's just gotta be ready to deal with the fallout.

no one is gonna censor it (obviously the show went on!) but i think you can still judge ppl by what stupid shit they say in a comedy club, drunk in a bar, in private at home, wherever.

I hope he takes a lot of heat for this. Because beyond anything it's lazy and weak.

I really doubt it. His entire shtick is that he goes above and beyond what other "blue" comics are willing to say and his audience understands that. If you listen to him for any period of time it becomes pretty clear that he believes, I dunno, maybe 5% of what he says on stage.

Rape is a common topic, unfortunately. At least among the younger class of bromedians.

I think there's a double standard in comedy rooms, because really the ideal is the comedian can say anything they want, they're 'working out material'. but among comedians, they don't want you to be part of the show, unless they're a crowdwork comedian. but they want you to laugh or not laugh and that's all. because you paid to get in. at least that's the way it seems.

Oh Tosh's whole thing is he says 'what no one else will say' and his racism bits aren't really racism he's just making fun of racism or what the fuck ever but dude's comedy is meanspirited at its core and I hate it.

If you listen to him for any period of time it becomes pretty clear that he believes, I dunno, maybe 5% of what he says on stage.

This is BESIDE THE POINT. What he created that night was a hostile environment in a small dark room.

his "edginess" can be pretty dumb. but what fallout would there be? people will boycott is shows/dvds? his fans will just love him more for being the jerk. his whole act is about being a jerk!

i remember seeing seinfeld episodes, louis episodes about heckling etc and i understand getting pissed that the crowd is interfering with your routine, but that doesn't mean you can say anything you want w/o the outside world getting to judge you for it. if someone heckled, i dunno, a juggler, and the juggler told that person they should get sodomized... the juggler is still a douche in that scenario.

oh cool a comedian who says stuff he doesn't actually believe, sounds like a really great comedian

no one is gonna censor it (obviously the show went on!) but i think you can still judge ppl by what stupid shit they say in a comedy club, drunk in a bar, in private at home, wherever.

I'm sure that you and many other people on this board do! In practice though, I'm not sure what kind of useful judgements you're going to get out of a guy who says something stupid while drunk outside of "I'm glad that I'm better than him"

yeah I guess you're right (whoever said it upthread), this won't really change anything for him and his fans. the people he expects to get mad will get mad but he won't lose any fans over it.

oh cool a comedian who says stuff he doesn't actually believe, sounds like a really great comedian

Do you think that George Carlin really prayed to Joe Pesci y/n?

I bet Steven Wright actually had a real 1:1 scale map of the US that he spent the summer folding.

oh cool a comedian who says stuff he doesn't actually believe, sounds like a really great comedian

c'mon you're better than this n/a

Oh Tosh's whole thing is he says 'what no one else will say' and his racism bits aren't really racism he's just making fun of racism or what the fuck ever but dude's comedy is meanspirited at its core and I hate it.

Well this is the excuse that Seth MacFarlane and others use and it's stupid there too because your audience is primarily very impressionable teenagers - just saying I dunno why you need to call out "rape is not funny" when it should be clear that's *exactly* the reaction he's trying to get.

the people he said that to had several options. they could have screamed at him and ruined his entire show. they could have stormed the stage and beat him up. they could have thrown things at him. they could have chanted. i dunno. fuck his shit up if you don't like it. where are the riot grrls? they should have started a riot. take back the night from shitty comedians! or something.

I kind of think of Tosh the same way I do Glenn Beck. Its doubtful that either of them believe 100% of the stupid shit they say, but they're more than happy cashing huge checks selling said shit to impressionable idiots.

scott basically otm, I think Tosh pretty much got what he wanted out of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21sCpbPqd4s

there's a difference between using saying something you don't believe to make a point, and just saying stuff you don't believe to get a shock reaction

can we just make him go away

like saying "wouldn't it be funny if five guys raped her right now" has no point and is expressing literally nothing other than "i'm saying something provocative"

You just passed Tosh 101

If u really want to be offended watch that terrible comedy central show of his.

I know some people who went to high school with him who sort of come to his defense every time I mention that I think he's a piece of shit, but I think part of that behavior is just "omg I can say I knew someone who's famous and that's cool".

The "Web Redemption" bits on his show are really good and IMO the real reason to watch it (otherwise it's just "random youtube clips and offensive commentary", I do give them kudos for those

I'm curious to know if the bit was a standard part of his material, ie, where it was going if there'd been no heckle. (Because it is possible to draw humor out of anything, just harder if you try rape or genocide.)

Heartbreaking last paragraph:

I should probably add that having to basically flee while Tosh was enthusing about how hilarious it would be if I was gang-raped in that small, claustrophic room was pretty viscerally terrifying and threatening all the same, even if the actual scenario was unlikely to take place. The suggestion of it is violent enough and was meant to put me in my place.

I really hope this gets remembered, as she puts it here, as an act of violence.

So anyway

http://jezebel.com/5924937/daniel-tosh-is-sorry-he-told-a-female-audience-member-that-she-should-get-hilariously-raped

I was in a comedy club a few years ago, during an open mic night, and this one comic would single out women in the audience and give his sexual performance set list, should he and the girl find themselves sharing a bed some time. Girls were horrified but laughed through it.

good times.

I think, for the younger generation, making meta-world-post-irony (<---for you NBA fans) jokes about rape and race is a way to push the buttons of gen xers, who otherwise aren't as uptight as baby boomers about good taste and The Boundaries of Comedy. Maybe that explains the market demand for this sort of stuff.

meta-world-post-irony

you can tell the quality of a comedian by how they handle hecklers imho. Pryor, Dangerfield, Martin = A+. Richards, Tosh, Dane Cook = F-.

sometimes the best part of Dangerfield's show would be him zinging hecklers

Maron has done good crowdwork in the shows I've seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAD-ky3TYQk

Did you guys see this movie.

Dangerfield was awesome with hecklers. Love.

oh man don't fuck with Joanie

heckler: "How big is Your dick?"
Rodney: "Don't you remember?"

oh shit Joan shutting down the heckler on her documentary was wild

Compare what Joan did to what Daniel Tosh did. If Joan went Tosh's route, instead of schooling that guy, she would've said "You know what would be funny? If I came down there with a screwdriver and punctured your eardrum so you'd be deaf too, fuckwit."

Heartbreaking last paragraph:

I should probably add that having to basically flee while Tosh was enthusing about how hilarious it would be if I was gang-raped in that small, claustrophic room was pretty viscerally terrifying and threatening all the same, even if the actual scenario was unlikely to take place. The suggestion of it is violent enough and was meant to put me in my place.

I really hope this gets remembered, as she puts it here, as an act of violence.

― jim, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:36 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm having a really hard time with this. I think it might even be kind of offensive to compare this scenario to an act of violence.

people saying shit can really fuck you up. it's like falling over, whenever i fall over i forget how disorienting and how much of a shake-up it is, but it happens and it's this physical kick that lurches you out of your comfort. words sound slight but they get under your skin, are hard to get past, change your idea of how you think of other people on the street. i don't think anyone is making a case that spoken insults are equivalent to acts of violence, but that they're in the same category, which is attacks.

I think it might even be kind of offensive to compare this scenario to an act of violence.

I should have elaborated. I was trying to suggest, as others put it differently above, that sicking the audience on her in this manner - in a dimly lit, claustrophobic room full of hostile strangers - is tantamount to a threat. Threats are a kind of act of violence. (A bit of verbal confusion here since one can also act out a threat.) When she writes that "the suggestion of it is violent enough" I think she's saying the same thing. That make sense? (I'm really curious, as I'm trying to determine how angry to be about this. Is his apology enough?)

You should be at least 10 angry if not 14 or even 17.

anyone who's below a 12 is a disgusting savage, imo

Compare what Joan did to what Daniel Tosh did. If Joan went Tosh's route, instead of schooling that guy, she would've said "You know what would be funny? If I came down there with a screwdriver and punctured your eardrum so you'd be deaf too, fuckwit."

He's a terrible, lazy comedian. "LOL I hope you get raped" is something one of the dumber reddit contributors would come up with.

I'm having a really hard time with this. I think it might even be kind of offensive to compare this scenario to an act of violence.

You also weren't in a small, dark, enclosed theater. Also, if your display name is anything to go by, not a woman. So I don't really thing its fair to judge her for feeling legitimately threatened.