Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

New Yorker review: Later, we get a glimpse of Louie’s ex-wife, Janet, something he had said might never happen. Last season, Louie’s sister described her as “that pasty, big-titted, black-eyed Guinea bitch,” but when she shows up she’s played by a black actress. The show has made playful gambits like this before, casting two actresses as Louie’s mother, adding a niece who was later deleted.

what exactly do u mean by this dog

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i dont know my racist slang too well, what does Guinea bitch imply?

i do find it crazy that people jumped on frogbs for just mentioning her race. surely it was a tiny bit jarring for anyone who has watched the show for the mother of two white kids to be black? like it isn't a big deal and whatever but it definitely threw me for a second

ok, if you get tired of waiting for more louis ck between episodes of louie, check out lucky louie - theres like twenty something episodes and it would seem they're all pretty much as funny as his fox show. like if happy days was r rated, sweared, and was just generally made by louis ck. seriously, the 2 episodes i just watched, i literally punched my couch it was so funny

I'm so glad slate and onion and esquire and rolling stone and new yorker are recapping this non-serial comedy show because i didn't understand how to process deep, heady material like "You're gonna be licking my pussy and asshole"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJ3xumCe6s

Louie explaining casting a black actress as his ex-wife at about 2 minutes.

i have owned chewed up forever but this week i have been checking out his other shows this week. and man, he is so sweaty halfway through Live At The Beacon Theater that I kinda wanna stop watching.

i need to watch lucky louie again, but i am remembering it being better than "louie", or is that auto-challops?

You're not alone but it is wrong

Still, I like the new show so much (even though I tend to voice mild criticisms here) I am really looking forward to watching it again. What are the auteur's opinions of that first series? Also how is Pootie Tang?

Lucky Louie is fun because he dramatizes bits like the "saddest handjob in the world", and the live audience gives it a weird Honeymooners vibe that makes it kinda surreal. I dug it, but personalky I don't think it's *better* than Louie. Different & v funny though.

CK: Well, it’s all so interesting. It’s all so goddamn interesting. It really is. I love knowing why I was able to sell out in one town, and why I wasn’t in another town. I love knowing what goes into everything—the economics, the technical aspect, and how to create the ideas in the show. It’s great. If you can have access to all of that, why the fuck would you not want to know? I just love learning. I think learning is how you live. The verb of my life is learning.

this fucking guy <3

tosser

I gave Lucky Louie another shot recently but I mostly just find it joyless; doesn't help that CK is really really stiff in it. He's thankfully improved a lot over the course of Louie.

i SHOULD be the person to prefer Lucky Louie since i'm forever defending trad three camera sitcoms w/ studio audiences and i loved that it was trying to be a throwback to that unglamorous Roc/Roseanne blue collar vibe, but it definitely had a lot of shortcomings in the execution. imo Louie is an inherently better show because a) it's so much more unpredictable and b) you get some of what he's actually great at (standup) and less of what he's not great at (acting).

I'm so glad slate and onion and esquire and rolling stone and new yorker are recapping this non-serial comedy show because i didn't understand how to process deep, heady material like "You're gonna be licking my pussy and asshole"

you would reduce the entire episode to that line, wouldn't you

hope someone amongst slate and onion and esquire and rolling stone and new yorker transcribe that whole last convo @ the bar

Looks like he started showing a lot of faith in his new editor in this episode.

Ending bit of stand-up outlined the theme a little too neatly I thought, but def a solid ep. Loved the stolen strawberry bit.

Ending bit of stand-up outlined the theme a little too neatly I thought, but def a solid ep

ha - i don't think it was necessarily too pat, just that it was a shame to explicitly mention anything after how articulate that last inarticulate conversation was. amazing. "my cousin Manny-". that was really next level!, what a beautiful episode.

it is funny to me how much of this season is montage sequences of Louie having a good time/laughing, &c. but his direction's so strong, now, it's all put together so well. i feel like he's distilling some of the elements of what was funny about the character - his awkwardness & how malleable he is, how kinda unknowing he is all the time - through behaviour way more than through jokes or anything more concrete, now. we build up a sense of the guy's limits and feelings more than we hear them. kinda like with the conversations with his girlfriend in the first ep.

Some pretty good jokes in Spanish too

i want to hug louie so much after that. i totally get what he was going for, although ime it has been platonic friendships with girls i want to hang out with all the time who then see that as a creep thing

it was so good. like a transcript wouldn't catch it; the tone & pitch of each of his false sentence starts all conveyed different, doomed conversational threads, pre-stepped-over small minefields.

the first, v short stand-up extract in this cracked me up also. re: saying something unpopular.

yeah that was gold

wow, this guy is on fire right now

Wonderful episode.

Louie was cool enough to post this entire scene on his youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhF7-QreW2I

re-watched the bar convo - its all one take

"ok first of all i have zero anything, ok"

the first stand up bit was wonderful

"i don't like balloons"
"cue florida beach w/ fake boobs everywhere"
me: LOL

i liked this show but i really can't support this guy any longer because of his support of tosh.0. his own jokes in that vein bothered me and i don't know why i gave him a pass for it before, but i'm completely done now.

i know i'll regret asking, but link?

nevermind, found it. i kinda hate tosh but louis has a history of supporting all comics.

he's also made jokes himself that are similar to what tosh did though. i mean the incident was really similar to the episode in season 1 where he confronts a heckler. i should have stopped watching then, but instead i'm stopping now. it's such a shitty way to be.

for the record i do not dismiss someone for making a single rape joke and think that people can change/grow when confronted with the effect their words have on people. i have, in the past, made offensive jokes myself. but once you have that knowledge and continue to make shitty jokes knowing that you risk hurting people and your words can have long-lasting repercussions (i.e triggering a ptsd episode in a survivor) i really can't support that. it's fucking shameful that a man with two daughters refuses to listen to the many intelligent women that have spoken up about this issue.

well that's debatable

what's debatable, exactly?

The point of the "Heckler" bit to me isn't the takedown, it's the flop of an attempt to explain himself afterwards (+ Todd Barry taking him down a notch).

And saying he "refuses to listen" to offended women on the subject is a bit much; iirc all he did was say that he liked the guy's TV show (which was not the medium in which those comments appeared).

I mean I'm not overjoyed about it either but there's a pretty big difference imo

that his jokes are "similar" for one, but I think I only know of a few of Louie's that involve rape in anyway. I could have just missed the offensive ones though.

also that he refuses to listen to the many intelligent women that have spoken up about this issue.

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It's possssible to read the first part of the tweet as a compliment-until-you-look-closely, which sets Tosh up for the needling second line, but I don't want to start frogbsing all over the place.

also re: the Heckler bit he specifically wrote her to be inoffensive and just obstructive because the point is how much he overreacts

Or, you might not have found offensive the one that others do, due to some difference of perspective, can't quite put my finger on it.

*ones

of course, but those rape jokes that i've heard have been praised by feminist writers/culture critics.

not saying that bene gesserit is wrong to be offended or that she should quit watching the show btw. that's fair enough. a lot of people were disappointed in that tweet, but i guess where i think he's coming from is understandable if not exactly what I believe.

it's pretty obvious his comment was a response to the incident. to me, there isn't much of a difference. he also apparently used to have a rant up on the front page of his website about why rape jokes are ok, and there's been a dialogue about this going on for awhile, so yes he has access to a lot of intelligent and thoughtful responses that he hasn't spoken to.

i'm not telling you guys to stop watching his show, but his stance on this unequivocally sucks.

of course, but those rape jokes that i've heard have been praised by feminist writers/culture critics.
yeah, this obviously totally proves his jokes are ok and don't hurt people!! get the fuck out of here with this.

no, you're saying that he's not listened to any of the intelligent women who have spoken up about this issue, and i'm saying that (whether he has or hasn't), there have been a number of intelligent women who wrote about this issue and disagree with you on certain levels, including how offensive and hurtful his specific rape jokes are.

feminism isn't some monoculture where we all believe the same things. if certain women give him a pass, it doesn't negate that other people are hurt by his words.

i know, and that's why i said it's fair enough if you are offended and don't want to support him. i'm just saying that your points were 'debatable', i.e. other perspectives are on offer and they're not all chauvinist/patriarchal Tosh-defending "get a sense of humor" horseshit.

also re: the Heckler bit he specifically wrote her to be inoffensive and just obstructive because the point is how much he overreacts

― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 13 July 2012 21:55 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. w/o spreading the clusterfuck any further, i really appreciated what kevin wrote elsewhere, making a distinction amid rape jokes to specifically address those which make rape victims the butt of the joke. i have really been struggling with some of the tumblr posts that draw strong lines, agreeing with the sentiment - like don't make rape jokes, you're being an entitled, solipsistic dick, it's playing with fire, &c&c&c - but feeling pedantic about the methodology, because separating the mechanical humour stuff from social effect feels tidy and pat. & the couple of louis ck rape jokes i can think of mention it in weird ways; there's the one where he says, you should never rape anyone, & then, almost as if a corollary, unless there's a good reason, like they wouldn't have sex with you. & this sounds brutal, & there's the shock-impact of hearing a guy say this in a room involved, but i really think the laugh is in watching a guy so absurdly miscalculate - the kind of thing the onion played off with their 'autistic news reporter' who didn't understand the emotional dimension of tragedies, like the humour is hearing a guy perform an incredibly confused assessment of something in a room in which we all understand that it's wrong. it is a rape joke; it is in incredibly personal territory that risks by its very mention dragging its audience into personally difficult ground; & yet i sorta feel like it's true that comedy is one of the closest things that has a license to plumb this shit, & that there is some possibility of catharsis & social use in having an arena in which it isn't off-limits.

so re: louie & daniel tosh, idk, i think it's his principled stand for comics; that he doesn't think that free speech is contingent on comics having the rights to 'go places', &c - he said as much about this in his defences of tracy morgan & opie & antony, & i really think he'd be shouting as loudly irrespective of what was said. & re: his rape jokes, i really feel they fit in with the way his character works on the rest of his show, or with the self-deprecation of the rest of his live act, which is that we aren't meant to agree with the guy onscreen just because he shares his name, & we're often meant to watch the guy being a dick.